• Knowing which pedals to choose for your amp

    Knowing what pedals to get for your amp

    Most of us, when we try to describe our favourite guitar tone, use words like smooth, warm, creamy and sustain, but it’s not always that easy to achieve that tone and we even have a tendency to dismiss great sounding equipment simply because we don’t use it right. In this feature we’ll look at how to achieve that killer tone on different rigs.

    One of the most frequently asked questions on this site is (something like) “how do I get my guitar to sound like David’s” or “how do I get that smooth sustain with my gear”.

    You read tons of reviews and watch clips on YouTube but once you plug into your new pedal, it seems that it has mysteriously lost all its mojo on the way from the store to your home. The disappointment and frustration comes creeping…

    Frequencies

    Now, obviously, tone is a combination of many things and most importantly, your fingers, but a great tone and achieving that, is also about knowing what gear to use. No matter how good an amp or pedal sounds, not everything work together or are even designed to be working together.

    There are no bad sounds. What you consider to be crap, others might think is pure heaven. A nasty, ear pinching fuzz might sound horrible for Gilmour, Hendrix and classic rock, but for other guitarists and genres, it’s just what you want.

    However, a guitar’s main frequency range is right there in the middle. The guitar is a lead instrument, just like vocals and our ears are designed to focus on the middle range because that’s where the frequencies of our speech lies.

    A guitar with lots of low end sounds great on its own, but in a band, it will drown behind the drums and bass. High end appears to be cutting but that’s also where the cymbals and keys are going to be, and again, your guitar will drown behind that dense curtain.

    Taming the lows and highs and making sure that your guitar has enough mid range, will place it right in front with the vocals. Mid range is the key ingredient to not only a great tone but more importantly, a tone that people can hear.

    Amps

    A loud Fender Twin has a typical mids scooped tone and very little compression. You get lots of headroom and pristine clean tones but it is not that suitable for fuzz and other uncompressed square wave clipping pedals.

    A loud Fender Twin has a typical mids scooped tone and very little compression. You get lots of headroom and pristine clean tones but it is not that suitable for fuzz and other uncompressed square wave clipping pedals.

    There are lots of different amps out there but let’s focus on the two classics,- Fender and Marshall. The reason why these are easy to focus on, apart from them being very popular and I’m sure most of you own at least one of them, is that they each represent the complete opposite sides of the tone spectrum.

    Obviously, not all Fenders sound the same (early era Tweeds usually had more mids), but in general, Fenders has a mids scooped tone (meaning that there is more bass and treble than mids). Most Marshalls, on the other hand, has a pronounced mid range.

    Now, the bigger and louder Fender amps, like a Twin, also has a lot of headroom – meaning that they have less compression and need a lot of volume to break into overdrive/distortion. Combine that with scooped mids and you get a very open and pristine clean tone.

    If you add a fuzz or Big Muff to that, with their square wave clipping, it will sound pretty nasty and harsh. There’s nothing to compress the fuzz and even out that sharp edge square wave, and no mid range to compensate for the scooped tone coming from the pedals.

    This does’t mean that there’s anything wrong. What it means is that the amp and pedal doesn’t go that well together. At least for the tones you want. You may want to return the pedal, or amp, but don’t do it with the impression that the pedal is broken. In fact, the more open and uncompressed the amp is, the less coloured the pedal will be.

    Mids scooped amps are particularly suitable for clean tones and rhythm guitars, where you just want to fill in the space but don’t get in the way of the vocals. For cutting lead tones, you either want to use mids boosted pedals, as we’ll look at below, or get an amp with more emphasis on the mid range.

    Marshall 1959 Plexi

    A 1959 Marshall Plexi, and newer models, has lots of mid range and a nice amount of compression, which smooths out demanding fuzz pedals and helps the guitar cut through a band mix.

    A typical Marshall, like the old Plexi, JCM and even newer series like the DSL, has lots of mid range and compression. Although most of these has enough headroom, at least for low output vintage style pickups, you might find that they do lack some of that pristine clean tone and that they sound somewhat dark due to the mid range.

    However, that compression will smooth out those square wave fuzz pedals and make your Fuzz Face and Big Muff sound smooth and creamy. The tone will also cut through more easily, both on stage and in a recording situation.

    But again, not all pedals work as well with Marshalls or Hiwatts. The fact that these amps has a lot of mids and compression, can make pedals like a Tube Screamer, OCD and Rat, which all have quite a lot of mids boost, sound dark, boxy and even choked. It’s nothing wrong with the pedals, but too much mids will sound just as bad as too little.

    Marshalls, and similar sounding amps, are ideal for that cutting lead tone and fat chords but they can be a bit too dominating for subtle rhythm work, jazz and other styles where the guitar doesn’t need to be up front.

    A third kind of amps are the ones with a fixed mid range, like the Vox AC30, which doesn’t have a dedicated mid range control.

    Bryan May certainly has plenty of mid range coming from his wall of AC30s and by rolling down the lows in particular, he allow more space for the fixed mid range to cut through. The fact that he also plays insanely loud, will create tube and speaker compression.

    Other amps, like the Laney Lionheart, can do a bit of both. The clean channel does a very good Fender/Vox pristine cleans kind of thing, while the drive channel sounds very much like an early Marshall Plexi, with creamy mids and a bit of compression. Both channels can handle most pedals (the channels share a 3-band EQ) but the tone between the two, is distinctly different allowing a wider range of tones.

    So, understanding these differences will make it easier to decide which pedals to buy and ultimately, make it easier to get the tones you want.

    Pedals

    This takes us to the pedals and we’ll focus on overdrives, distortion and fuzz. Modulation and delay aren’t as dependent on what amp you have, although most modulation pedals (chorus, flanger, phaser) seems to get less dominating and slightly smoother sounding, with a bit of mids and compression.

    As we’ve discussed before, and you’ll find a full list of pedals in the overdrive and distortion buyer’s gear guide, there are mainly two different kinds of gain pedals tone-wise: mids scooped and mids boosted. Obviously, there are thousands of variations within that range.

    The classic fuzz pedals, including the Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face, had little compression and mid range but were often used with amps that could compensate for that, like a Marshall or Hiwatt.

    The classic fuzz pedals, including the Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face, had little compression and mid range but were often used with amps that could compensate for that, like a Marshall or Hiwatt.

    The first pedals that emerged in the mid 60s and further into the 70s, like the Colorsound Powerboost, Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face and EHX Big Muff, all had a typically mids scooped and uncompressed tone.

    They were (perhaps apart from the Big Muff) mainly used to drive a cranked tube amp into serious distortion, which provided the mids and compression from the tubes and speakers you needed to cut through.

    As mentioned above, these pedals sound great with darker sounding British amps like a Marshall or Hiwatt but paired with mids scooped Fender or Vox, they can sound pretty harsh. This means that if you do own a Fender or something similar sounding, you might want to look for pedals with more mids and compression.

    In the late 70s, with the transistor boom, pedals like the Tube Screamer and Rat emerged and these, unlike their predecessors, had a nice mids hump and lots of compression.

    These pedals were basically designed for guitarists who wanted their Fenders and smaller amps to produce that fat Marshall combined with a fuzz kind of tone and some, like Stevie Ray Vaughan, also used them as a boost for solos, allowing the guitar to do subtle rhythm work and cutting leads.

    Ibanez Tube Screamer

    The Tube Screamer has lots of mid range and compression. It can make a Fender or Vox amp sound creamy and warm and boost your tone for solos for it to cut through. On a Marshall, it can sound a bit too dark and muddy due to the excessive, or total amount, of mid range.

    The Tube Screamer, and Rat, are one of the best known and most used pedals of all time but some guitarists often dismiss them for being too boxy and thin sounding. But, that’s their nature and if you don’t find that tone pleasing, it might be because you have an amp that already has a lot of mids.

    So let’s repeat this one more time: for your guitar, and your solos in particular, to cut through and reach everyone’s attention, you need mid range. Your guitar needs to be right there in the middle with the vocals, away from the boomy drums and toppy cymbals and keys.

    A pedal, or amp, that has less low end but more mids will cut through much more easily, than a pedal, or amp, with a scooped tone and thunderous lows. It might sound dull in your bedroom but on stage and on a recording, it is crucial that your guitar has enough mids, and compression, especially for the parts where you want it to be properly heard.

    It’s also worth mentioning pedals like the Klon and pedals inspired by the Dumble amp (OCD, Tree of Life, Euphoria etc).

    While the Tube Screamer and Rat were designed to emulate the combination of a tube amp combined with gain pedals, the Klon and Dumble pedals, has a more pure amp quality, with a wider range from pristine cleans to pretty heavy overdrive. What they also have is a fat low end and tons of mid range.

    Again, used on mids scooped amps, these pedals can do wonders and Dumble inspired pedals in particular, are extremely suitable for recording. However, on amps that already has a nice amount of mids and compression, they can sound overwhelming and be tough on your ears.

    I like to say that there are no rules when it comes to tone and choosing pedals and amps, but keep this in the back of your head:

    Mids scooped and uncompressed amps (Fender/Vox and similar) – NO fuzz, Powerbooster and Muff. ONLY Tube Screamer and Rat (or similar sounding clones).

    Mids boosted and compressed amps (Marshall/Hiwatt and similar) – NO Tube Screamer and Rat (or similar sounding clones). ONLY transparent, mids scooped or flat EQ overdrives, distortions and fuzz.

    The harsh and brutal reality is that no matter how much you want a Big Muff – why not? that’s what’s Gilmour is using – it won’t get you the tones you’re looking for if you don’t have the right amp.

    Likewise, if you walk into a store and the guy behind the counter recommends a Tube Screamer, or a clone, because “you can’t go wrong, all the greats used one”, then he failed to ask what amp you’re using. On a clean Hiwatt, that Tube Screamer will sound like a fart.

    See the Buyer’s Gear Guide – Overdrive and Distortion for recommended pedals within each category.

    Guitars

    Guitars plays a minor role when it comes to mid range but different models and pickups can enhance or worsen what we’ve discussed above.

    Stratocasters generally has a mids scooped tone. Paired with a Fender amp, you get that classic bell chime and pristine cleans. But, it also means that while a Les Paul with a pair of hot humbuckers might compensate to some extent for the lack of mid range, your Strat will make it worse. On the other hand, using a Tube Screamer with that combo, gets you right into Stevie Ray Vaughn territory and the Strat will even add a nice top end bite.

    A Telecaster, although very similar sounding to a Strat, generally has more mid range and therefore, it’s often considered to be more versatile in the sense that it pairs equally well with mids scooped and mids boosted amps.

    Les Pauls and other humbucker guitars, has a much warmer tone, with more mid range and compression, mainly due to the design of the pickups. They won’t sound as clean and chimey as a Strat on a Fender amp, but they’ll compensate to some extent for the lack of mid range. They’re the perfect match for a Marshall and even a Hiwatt, but add a mids boosted Tube Screamer and you might experience a tone that’s all over the place, muddy and even choked.

    I hope this cleared up a few misconceptions and perhaps even answered some of your questions. Again, there are no rules when it comes to tone but a bit of basic know-how, will hopefully keep you from spending too much money on the wrong gear.

    Please feel free to use the comment field below and share your experience and thoughts on the subject.

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  1. Only new Marshall’s break up early. Old Marshalls are very clean until 6 or 7 – it gets dark at 8,9 or 10 obviously. So mine are the hand wired ones that have a ton of head room. So the Fulltone FD3 boosts the volume setting at 3 and pushes the tubes a little and then the FD2 you push more volume on top and still very little drive and it seems to sound like Gilmour Glass to me.

  2. Jon says:

    Hi, I’ve always been a straight into amp player, except perhaps for a wah, this has been true for all amps I’ve played over the years, from Marshalls to Mesas. I’ve just discovered the Friedman Buxom Betty and it is what I’ve wanted all along, big, open, aged tone. I discovered my love of Gretsch guitars about the same time, I just love the chiming, edgy quality this combo delivers, my style of playing is melodic and acoustic and I find the moment I introduce a pedal, the tone narrows or becomes nasally, I just don’t get it! That said I feel it could use something, I don’t want to miss out! Today experimented with a Boss Blues Driver and a Pro Co Rat, the rat is quite unbearable to my ears even wound down, the blues driver could have a use for low end neck pickup riffs or breaks but again, its very specific and when I kick it off I get back all that range I so want in an amp. What I did like was a Boss compressor, this actually worked with the amp in a way I considered genuinely beneficial, I also feel that I will enjoy an authentic tremelo and verb. Will I ever find an overdrive or distortion pedal that inspires me? Have I just been testing the wrong ones? Or am I just a tone purist? What pedals would you recommend to a difficult to please player like me for this guitar and amp? I really dont have a style I play as such, I lean towards alt Americana, Jazz/blues, Tom Waits or good country pop.

    • Bjorn says:

      Why do you feel you need pedals? Seems to me that you’ve found your tone by just using amps, so what is that you feel is missing? I wouldn’t recommend buying pedals just because you feel you have to. A transistor pedal will sound different than a loud tube amp. It’s just two different worlds. I don’t think that makes you a purist. That would imply that using pedals makes you less interested in tone. Whatever approach I think what’s important is that you trust your ears and find the inspiration to develop as a guitarist. Pedals can certainly do that but it shoudn’t be because you feel you have to.

  3. Dino says:

    Hi Bjorn! I started a band recently (my first), and I need a OD/dist pedal. my setup is pretty good but the amp is too clean for the music we’re playing (blues rock) and I only have one overdrive pedal which is a clone Klon – a Movall Minotaur, essentially the same pedal as the more famous Tone City Bad Horse. it’s good but not enough to drive the clean channel.
    I have to use my amps’ drive channel and I’m boosting it with Minotaur. it sounds great but it’s noisy for some reason, probably cause of gain even though I don’t use much (Robben Ford Tiger Walk much). it buzzes even when my guitar is off.
    – my question is: can you recommend me an OD or a dist as a base drive so I can use my clean channel? I was thinking of the new Nobels mini or maybe something cheap like DS1, OD3…
    the amp is handmade and it sounds kinda like a marshall, I’m not that experienced to tell you. it has 22W, 3xECC83, 2x6V6, one Celestion G12m 65, here’s the panel: https://i.imgur.com/gNioxZM.png, essentially a Dumble style amp. and here’s an old video and a bit from a band practice a month ago: (drive channel on both) https://youtu.be/PK9g6dNvcco?t=110https://soundcloud.com/emdblues/jeep-35
    I need to solve this in the next month or less cause we’re gonna start gigging in January. thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      Depends on what sort of platform you need. The Klon should be enough and a DS1 or OD3 will probably not do much difference. I would try to tweak the amp a bit more and maybe add more of a booster pedal, like a Boss BD2 or a EP Booster to get a bit of bite going while preserving the true tone of your amp and guitar.

      • Dino says:

        you mean like a clean boost? btw today I tried the Fulldrive 2 and I didn’t really like the sound. the grain of distortion is kinda separated, it’s not smooth enough, even with a boost on. it’s britle.

        • James Pace says:

          I used the FD3 boost on with the 1st channel of the FD2 (new one) on and it sounds really glassy and nice with a Marshall 50 way JMP and a intahe strat. The second Chanel of the FD2 I turn on with the drive down and volume way up to avoid exactly what you are saying about the brittle sound. Try less drive more volume. It is great but loud. I get great Gilmore tones like this. Extraordinarily glassy.

          • Dino says:

            I’ll try that today, hopefully it works.
            ps. the thing with most Marshalls, they distort at lower volume so it’s easier to drive it. that’s what’ve read and heard.

        • Cody says:

          Try the Kingsley Jester. Very smooth OD with 3 modes and 3 band EQ and also a clean boost with 3 voices. Distinct channels and both built on real tubes.

  4. Carlos - Brazil says:

    Hi Bjorn, hi everybody! Since february 2018 I’m using Gilmorish”s configs/rigs suggestions but on a USD 1,500 Line 6 Helix “studio-quality” pedalboard. Most of the amps/cabinets pedals mentioned here on this topic are fully emulated with an awesome acuity when compared to my “boutique physical pedals” (Strymons, EHXs, Buffalos, Keeleys and so one). Marshal, Fender, Mesa, Hiwatts amps? They are ALL there in one pedalboard (and third party companies comercialize, for a few USD, “Input Responses” specific for some musicians amps configs).

    Without the myriad of patch cables, power cables, power supplies the “hums” and “hisses” become greatly reduced even on my “vintage single coils”. And I can build different 1,204 presets (each one including, amps, cabinets, al sorts of distortions, modulations, equalizers, compressors you can imagine) for 1,024 of my favority songs (plus 04 “send-return” entries for my “favorite physical pedals” that can be inserted on any preset on any position (and de MIDI ones fully controlled by Helix)!!

    I strongly suggest this 21st century awesome “all-in-one” solution for the “not so purist” (I was one of them – my expensive pedals are all on their boxes nowadays) to give a try… Follows some links for those curious about Helix’s emulations options:

    1) Helix “guitar amps list”: https://helixhelp.com/

    2) Helix “distortion pedals list” (fuzzes, ODs and so one): https://helixhelp.com/category/models/effects/

    3) A full “Gilmour style” preset for Helix video demo built by a professional on modeling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLJVW3lnTGs

  5. Max says:

    Just wondering: If a Tubescreamer is no good for Marshall / Hiwatt Amps, why is there a Tubescreamer on the pedalboard for the division bell tour / the pulse live album, where Hiwatt and Marshall amps were used? Does the Alembic Preamp behave more like a Fender then?

    • Bjorn says:

      He didn’t use a TS on the tour. That’s a compressor. There is one on the studio board but it’s not known whether he used it or not. He did use Fender Bassman amps on that album so that might be one answer. But, I have not said that you can’t use TS style pedals with Marshall and Hiwatt. There are plenty of persons who do with great results. It all comes down to what sort of tones you need then and there. What I’m saying is that all pedals are designed with specific tones and use in mid. A TS is designed to capture the compresson and mid range you get from a Marshall. The idea is that you could get those tones on a small amp and maybe a Fender, which is quite the oposite of a Marshall. People often buy a TS and get disappointed because it sounds thin and flat. That’s it’s nature. It is designed that way but it’s also designed to be used with a slightly cranked amp. If you do that it will sound awesome. If you do want to use TS style pedals, including OCD, RAT etc, with Hiwatt or Marshall, you should be aware that you’d get a lot of mid range and compression going so you might want to tame that slightly on your amp. That’s all.

  6. Shane says:

    Hi,I use a Gretch electromatic with a fender champ amp 20 watt. I play Eddie Cochran to The Clash. I’m using a DD7, Blues Driver and also have a because I love The Cramps a Big Muff. Are you saying I should ditch the Muff and go for a Tube Screamer for a more driven dirty sound? Thanks for your help.

    • Bjorn says:

      No, not at all. Use whatever you need to get the tones you want. Muffs can be a challenge on Fender amps if you’re trying to nail David Gilmour’s huge stadium tones but that doesn’t mean taht you can’t usea Muff with a Fender. You already got a BD-2 so the overdrive tones should be covered. A TS would give you a bit more mid range and compression.

  7. Rick Feder says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Great site, great article.

    I’ve had over 10 original 73 Big Muffs, and there is one in particular which is easily the best. It is my baby.

    I play it on a vintage JTM100, and it is perfection. The JTM compresses the hell out of it, in the best way. It sounds more like an overdrive, but with all that power and sustain on tap. This has been my main setup for years.

    But I am switching to a recently acquired ’59 Bassman now, because its clean and semi-distorted tone is far better than any amp I’ve ever played. I have to sell the JTM to pay for it.

    The Muff sounds great on the Bassman, but much more untamed and uncompressed.

    Any suggestions on how to compress the Muff on the Bassman to get it sounding more like the Marshall? I have some colorsound boost clones and BK Butler’s Tube Driver on the way. About to try some compression pedals on it now.

    Thanks for the awesome site!

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Rick! Sorry for the very late reply. Try a compressor, hitting the Muff hard, or a Marshall type pedal like the Wampler Plexi Drive or JHS Charlie Brown. Set them up with just a hint of breakup to get the compression going and fine tune the tone with the EQ/tone controls. You could also go for a Tube Screamer type of pedal but they’re often too compressed and you’d lack the headroom.

      • Rick Feder says:

        Thanks Bjorn!

        The compressor and slamming the Muff work better than expected. I put some EQ on it too. Can really get any tone now, amazing. Four pedals instead of one, but I have the best of both worlds! The only thing I miss is the feedback of the Marshall, but I guess that it just a matter of sheer volume. Maybe I will try a high power tweed Twin if I can find $20k.

        Nothing sounds as good as these old tweeds to me. The sound is so alive, so real.

        Thanks again for the great site, its deeply appreciated.

  8. Simon says:

    Hey Bjorn,

    For a Boss Katana 50, what pedals should work best? A green russian big muff or tubescreamer or something else, when going for the overdriven leads like comfortably numb, on the turning away etc?
    I have a green russian and Maxon OD808 (is this a tubescreamer or Overdrive?) but I guess I can sell and get other pedals depending on what you think works best. What would you have done?

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Simon, sorry for my very late reply. The Katana handles pedals very well and you can dial in all sorts of tones and using that as your platform. Still, it’s a transistor amp and I do think that the more mid rangy and compressed pedals work better.

  9. Arya Boustani says:

    I think If your compressor magnifies some frequencies more than others (which mostly is the case), certain things like fast transitions could sound unnatural. Do you get that situation without compressor? I found out with a couple of Y cables you can test if parallel signal (either through 2 compressors one set on low or blending natural guitar signal with compressed signal) could create a sort of beef up and sustain but without loosing natural transitions.

  10. Jenn says:

    I’m playing out of two amps at the same time to provide a fuller sound because my band is just guitar, drums and vocals. (Melodic punk band)
    I use a Fender Frontman 212 and a Fender Frontman 65R with my Epiphone DOT (my favorite guitar ever).
    I’m using a Keely/Aria compression/distortion pedal.
    Can anyone suggest the best way to get that Marshall crunch or as close to is as possible. Something is missing during fast palm muted parts.

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried the Aria but I’d check out pedals like the OCD or typical Marshall in a box pedals that has more mids and compression.

    • Ernie says:

      I use the Carl Martin Plexitone. It’s not cheap (about $275) and it has a hardwired AC cord on the back, but it’s incredible. It has a lower gain crunch channel, a high gain channel, and a clean boost channel. I used to use it on a Fender Blues Jr then on a Fender HotRod DeVille 410. It nails the sound of the old Superleads and the JCM 800 (in my opinion) and does other EL34 based amps relatively well. I’m currently using it with an actual 50w Plexi (with the tone dialed back to compensate for the amp’s brightness) because I can’t crank the amp in most situations. I always put an EP Booster or a Clinch FX EP Pre after it to sweeten the midrange ala Page/Van Halen but it holds up well on its own. It’s amazingly amp-like in the way it sounds and functions and responds to all aspects of picking. Best pedal I ever owned. They also make smaller and more affordable versions that are single channel (either the low gain or high gain versions) that can be run off of a standard 9v power supply. Hope this helps!

      Ernie

      PS – you can even hear what it sounds like with a hollow body Gibson in this first video. It’s an ES 335 I think, not the same obviously as a Dot but in the ballpark at least.

      https://youtu.be/Ng4peS3MjrY

      https://youtu.be/XMmK0VwYR2M

      https://carlmartin.com/plexitone/

  11. Gustavo Checcoli says:

    Hi bjorn, in the article about amplifiers you say that the amps fender has medium-sized carving and little compression, this goes for the fender hot road and for the fender blues junior?
    thank you!

  12. Jan Geerts says:

    Great site and articles, but I think we have a different concept of mids. You call ocd and the V2 mid heavy, I call them scooped, especially the latter vanished in the mix at rehearsals, and I use amps with plenty of mids(tweed bassman and a dr z 18 with pushed mids and EP booster). I find a tubescreamer to work great with Marshalls, giving them some much needed low mids. On a clean Fender, they sound nasal to me. Just an oberservation that struck me in various articles.

    • Bjorn says:

      Well I disagree. The OCD is certainly not scooped but it all comes down to what amps you use. Based on what you write it seems to me that you might be experiencing som compression going on when you combine the OCD and Bassman, which can be perceived as less volume. The Bassman, although more mids than typical Fenders, has much less mids than say a Hiwatt or Marshall. TS compliments some Marshall amps very well and ads a bit of warmth and lower mids. I think what you’re describing is exactly my point – it all depends on what you use, how you use it and what tones you need.

      • antoniojnj says:

        Hello. Very useful article. About the OCD being scooped or not I’d like to tell about my own experience. I do not own that pedal, but a clone – Joyo Ultimate Drive – that is been said to be a very close one to the original OCD. As the OCD it has two “modes “: High (high peak) and Low (low peak). I find de High mode to be very scooped but, on the contrary, the low mode has plenty of low-mid frequencies that make the pedal cut fine through the mix. I wonder if this could be the reason (to use exclusively one of the two modes) for what while some people call this a scooped pedal, some other call it a mid-boost pedal.
        By the way, my amp is a Ibanez TSA15 h, and the built-in Tube Screamer works nicely.

        • inkslingers1 says:

          Regarding the Joyo OCD clone, I have just spent two days using a Behringer Tube Monster real valve overdrive into my Katana 50 and my Fender Champ 25SE. It was very fizzy and, despite the pedal having three band EQ I just couldn’t get rid of that fizz based overdrive.

          My OCD Mosky Obsessive clone has the Hi/Lo switch. I decided to compare it. With the switch on ‘Hi’ it got exactly the same sounds as the Tube Monster. With the switch on ‘Lo’ it was far better.

          The Tube Monster’s going back, so I’ve saved myself some cash and can get it’s tone if I want it and can get a better one too.

          Shame, I really wanted to like the Tube Monster and try out different tubes but that’s just silly really since it’s unnecessarily massive and I already have this little OCD clone.

          Maybe I could have deep edited the Katana to a more Marshally response but I’d really lost the patience by then. My fault.

  13. Thomas Redmond says:

    Hey Bjorn!

    1). Just wanted to say I have both your Grey Granith Booster and the Persian Green Screamer in my pedal collection. Love them and they’re on a special separate board than my main!

    2). I’m currently considering purchasing a Fulltone Fulldrive 2 Mofset for my medium overdrive needs. I already have the Wampler Tumnus Deluxe and the Keeley Katana Booster (Mini) on my board and love both of them. I’m just wondering if these two pedals would need to give way to the Mofset pedal or if they all have the potential to complement and live harmoniously on the board. I also have a feeling that the Katana and Tumnus combo might already be doing the job of a dual overdrive pedal. Still, I’ve played the Mofset and it seems to be in a different tonal pedal category. Lots of thoughts, I know!

    Anyway, I’m playing with a VOX AC30VR on the clean channel with a G&L Legacy Tribute in the neck position, mostly. Just wondering what you think. Thanks!

    • Bjorn says:

      I guess the Fulldrive would compliment both of the Tumnus and Katana. These are fairly clean, while the Fulldrive will provide a warm mid rangy overdrive that also fits your amp nicely.

  14. Ryo Pangan says:

    Hi im loving this site i have an OCD,A Ts808 Clone,and a Dumple Based pedal the Euphoria,Also a MXR Super bad ass distortion , I also have an Fender Blue Jr, Clone , What can u recommend me a Good setup for David gilmour tones i have 57 Reissue Black strat with CS69 neck and middle then SSL-5 Seymour duncan bridge i dont know what Overdrive to use and how can i stack them any help? thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      Obviously you can set it up in a number of different ways and it depends on how you’ll be using the amp and what sort of tones you want. I’d start with setting the amp up for a clean tone with a bit of bite. Try to roll back the treble and maybe increase the mids. I’d go for the OCD. You can use it for both overdrive and distortion. The TS really needs a bit of dirt from the amp.

  15. John says:

    Hi,Bjorn..I am playing a fender deluxe strat into a vintage Traynor ygm3 (el84)amp….i have been trying to find a overdrive/distortion pedal to go with this setup…i am using a fulltone fulldrive 2 (pre mosfet)not really liking the way it sounds in vintage mode..thinking to much mids… sorta like a tube screamer…FM mode sounds better…anyway,what pedal would you reccomend for this amp…?going for a marshall kinda sound…thanks for your time

    • Bjorn says:

      The Traynor is sort of Marshally-ish without actually sounding like a Marshall. I would perhaps go for a Wampler Plexi Drive or JHS Charlie Brown for vintage Marshall or a JHS Angry Charlie or Xotic BB for more modern sounding Marshalls.

      • John says:

        Thank you for the response, also wondering if you think my fulldrive 2 in vintage mode, should sound alright with this traynor..with the fulldrive being based on the tube screamer circuit in this mode…maybe it could be that the “tube screamer “pedal/sound is not a good match with this amp…seeing how the traynor ygm3 seems to be more marshallish instead of fenderish?maybe adds too much mids to the mid heavy amp…?thanks again for your time…

        • Bjorn says:

          I haven’t tried that pedal with that amp but I would imagine that it might be a bit too much mids. Keep in mind too that TS style pedals are designed to be used with slightly cranked amps. They rarely sound good on clean amps. Regardless of the brand and model.

          • John says:

            Good point…thanks again!

            • John says:

              Hello again, I just swapped out the old preamp tubes that were in there…rca and sylvanias… put in some electro harmonics and sovtek lps…12ax7s….and sovtek el84 in power stage…and wow sounds way more like I wanted…even with fulldrive in vintage mode…maybe those old preamp tubes were tired…thanks again!

  16. Aytunç Savga says:

    Hi, so what about Gilmour using Rat pedal on Hiwatt amp?

  17. Dave says:

    What do u think about blues junior nos tweed with les Paul and tube screamer?

  18. Arya Boustani says:

    Hi Bjorn, I had this awesome violin like tone between my overdrive distortion pedals, and a long delay setting out of my TC Alter Ego sent to Reeves Custom 50 as usual setting you suggested on the amp. I use both left and right output of the delay pedal sent to lower Normal upper Bright. I shutdown everything and went back to it in a few days. The sound was nowhere near what I had. It was really harsh and loud and not soaring and violin like at all. Does it ring a bell for such situation? Do you think it is a non true bypass pedal issue, bad cable, or even surge in the power supply? I get that from different guitars so whatever it is, it is downstream of the guitar. I tried to use elimination method to find out but still come across this with different cables, and taking off off-pedals from the signal chain. Someone pointed out that power supply makes a difference. I’m in an old house with not very stable and noise-free power source. Also the power adaptors for the pedals are not high-end.
    Thanks.

    • Bjorn says:

      Hard to tell as I wasn’t there. No obvious issues comes to mind… Could be that you unintentionally altered te settings? Did you play for a long time that first day and your ears got tired and started to compress the tones? I really have no idea…

    • Cody says:

      I find this to be a common experience. Tone can change a lot with temperature and humidity changes, and likely with fluctuations in the power delivered to your home on a given day. It’s a frustrating experience to change none of your settings and to not be able to return to the same sound you had the last time you played. My advice is when you do get a great sound, take careful note in your head what it’s qualities are. Then the next time you play, if the sound is different, try to tweak the settings carefully and gradually to rediscover this tone. This will help you become very familiar with the nuances of your gear, and knowing your gear “inside and out” is the best way to achieve consistenly good tone. Consider David Gilmour and his pairing of a dedicated EQ for each overdrive sound. He knows his gear so well and can approach it with the intimate touch of a lifelong sculptor or painter.

      • Arya Boustani says:

        Thanks for that helpful advice. I think it’s not uncommon for the electric guitar players especially ones with lots of pedals to feel lost in too many variables. But becoming familiar with each set of variables and how it impacts the sound and slowly adjusting things further make it a more organic and more solid approach. Also this sort of community feedback is so helpful psychologically and by the information gathering to overcome that sense of being lost or not know where to go from that point. Cheers.

        • Cody says:

          I’m happy I was able to help. When I read your post I immediately recognized my own experience at various times in it. I certainly haven’t mastered the advice I gave but I still know it to be the best way of going about things and I have made progress with this skill.

          It’s true that there are so many variables, which can be overwhelming, but with consistent diligent effort it can be done :). I just wanted you to know you are not alone in this and even professional musicians struggle with this same thing at times!

          Good luck to you

  19. This is the article I was looking for ! Thank you. I’m not sure to know which od pedal to choose with a 5w Fender Vibro Champ Tweed, any recommandation would be very appreciated !?

    • Bjorn says:

      Depends on what tones you want but in general I’d go for something versatile as described in this feauture, like a Rat, OCD or similar. These should be able to cover most of the tones and fit your amp.

      • Dino Trifunovi? says:

        I play Fender and Gibson guitars into Fender and Vox amps. I want something versatile and natural, maybe you’ve tested the Wampler plexi ? There is something nice with the Marshall like pedals on this amps. But Fender Champs doesn’t have that classic sound, I don’t knowl if it’s mid scooped do you ?

        • Bjorn says:

          The Champ has a bit of mids and compression going on but like all Fenders, it’s more scooped and open sounding than say a Marshall. I’m a huge fan of the old Plexi sound and the Wampler does a very good job. Works nicely with Fender amps too. Check out the JHS Charlie Brown as well.

  20. Berke says:

    Hi Bjorn ! I have a mexican strat with SSL-5 and CS 69 neck and middle.

    The tones that i’m after are Gdansk lead tones.
    Compressor : Mooer Yellow Comp
    Muff : Vick Audio 73 Ram’s Head
    G2 Type OD : Vick Audio V-2
    Delay : Boss DD2
    EQ : Boss GE-7
    I want an overdrive pedal can be replaced David’s Tube Driver tones in budget. [I have read all the articles you have and including Kit Rae’s website.] What i would like to do is drive boosting Ram’s Head with it as shown in your article about Live in Gdansk settings. (like P1-TD(OD)) And also want to use that OD pedal alone as main OD and distortion unit.
    Can you suggest me an OD pedal cause anytime i read the OD-Dist page you’ve written, things getting so confused to me considering the amp type.
    How well this setup work with Fender Blues Junior III. (Or i can change it the one you suggest)

    Greetings

    • Bjorn says:

      I would go for a Boss BD2. Check out my recent video of it here. It’s an incredibly versatile booster/overdrive that will work nicely on your amp. You might also want to check out the Crayon fom EHX. It’s based on the Tube Driver. Your Vick pedals doesn’t really need boosting though. The Ram’s Head has a mid range booster and plenty of gain and the V2 has more of a distortion type of sound that doesn’t really need boost. What David does is not so much boosting but rather adding character and tone. Having a clean Tube Driver as a boost adds a hint of compression and tone, not volume or gain boost.

      • Berke says:

        Thank you so much for answering.
        Since i don’t want to open up the new post, i want to ask it from here.

        I’m about to buy these gain pedals i mentioned above.
        How well these gain pedals[Vick pedals and Crayon] work with my amp-Blues Jr III- considering David’s Gdansk lead tones?

        • Bjorn says:

          I think they should work fine with the amp but you shouldn’t expect a small Blues Jr to sound like a huge stadium :) You might need to spend a bit of time tweaking and finding the sweetspot for the amp – I find that most of the speakers they use for the Jr are a bit too bright – the pedals should go nicely with it.

  21. F Javi says:

    Hi Bjorn. I do not know if you have been able to try the Mooer Pre Amp, which simulate classic tube amplifiers.

    If you have not tried them, by the description of each pedal or by watching Youtube videos, which one do you think would be the closest to Gilmour’s Hiwatt amps in Gdansk?

    Thank you very much, very kind greetings.

    • Bjorn says:

      Haven’t tried them. Sorry…

    • Cody says:

      Do not expect a tiny Mooer pedal to get you even remotely close to the Gdańsk tones. That’s like wearing roller skates and trying to race a jet.

      • Bjorn says:

        True. Depends on how close you want to get. Obviously, a tiny transistor preamp can’t fully replicate the dynamics of a large tube amp but for bedrooms and practice, it’s often more than enough to get some nice tones.

        • Cody says:

          Sure it may get some nice tones. I just wanted to temper his expectations of sounding close to Gilmour Live in Gdańsk lol because those tones are absolutely divine!

  22. Liung Yit says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    BIG DOUBT…..

    – ELECTRO HARMONIX mod. CRAYON XO
    – ELECTRO HARMONIX mod. GLOVE XO
    – MAXON mod. OSD-9 (MAXON mod. OD-880 based)
    – MAXON mod. OOD-9 (MAXON mod. OD-880 based)
    – BOSS mod. OD-1
    – MASOTTI mod. OD BOX (IBANEZ mod. TS-10 based)
    – FULLTONE mod. SECRET FREQ

    – ELECTRO HARMONIX mod. BIG MUFF GREEN RUSSIAN XO
    (ultimate generation)
    – IBANEZ mod. MS-10
    – IBANEZ mod. LM-7

    – DANELECTRO mod. COOL CAT FUZZ V.2
    – B.Y.O.C. mod. E.S.V. MKII (SOLA SOUND L.T.D. mod. TONEBENDER
    MKII based)
    – ELECTRONIC ORANGE mod. GENUINE PIG FACE

    Which of these pedals sounds good combined with the ORANGE mod. TINY TERROR 7/15 watt swichable amp?

    • Bjorn says:

      Oh… I haven’t tried any of these with an Orange amp. Not a huge Orange fan myself so I don’t have much experience with them. What I can say is that Orange, like Marshall, although they’re not identical, are great pedal platforms. They can handle pretty much anything. Like Marshall though, Orange is fairly aggressive and the Tiny Terror is mainly designed as a plug-n-play amp, with little headroom for gain pedals. You can set it up for cleans but I think there are better options out there if you’re looking for David Gilmour’s tones. But again, I think any of these pedals will go nicely with the amp.

      • Yit Liung says:

        Pardon, I did not understand the answer.
        Why you write that the Tiny is great pedal platforms but after, at the end of the answer, you write that it can not play well with any of the pedals listed ?

        Waiting for a reaply.

  23. Phil B says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    I just tested a Tube Screamer Mini with my Hiwatt T20/V30 combo and as I was expecting, it sounded too dull, dark or muddy, as explained by you in this article :P

    I mean it didn’t sound awful, but not “right” to my ears at least, especially in comparison with the Keeley Phat Mod. The transparency and pickups shine through with the Phat Mod, while the Tube Screamer drowns the sound in mid range.

    Is there anything in between a BD-2 and a Tube Screamer in terms of mid range? A RAT maybe? Gilmour used on in the 90’s didn’t he?

    Cheers,
    Phil

    • Bjorn says:

      The RAT is very similar to the TS, sort of taking off distortionwise where the TS max. I guess the Tube Driver (or a clone Buffalo FX TD-X or EHX Crayon) has a bit more mids than the BD2 but also a less compressed tone. You could also try a Klon (there are lots of clones out there including the EHX Soul Fodd) although it can get very middy when you turn up the gain.

  24. Ben says:

    Great site! I have a question on what combo to pair up with my home studio. I have a large 100 watt Peavey 6505 tube amp with Orange 4×12 cab but cannot use it on loud setting due to living in an apartment. I also have a small Vox mini G3 practice amp and small Marshall MG 10CF practice amp. What combo would you recommend and why?

    • Bjorn says:

      I’ve listed my recommended budget/mid range bedroom/club amps in the buyer’s gear guide. I’m a huge fan of the Laney Lionheart amps. Great on their own, easy to record and a very versatile pedal platform. They come in different shapes and sizes :)

  25. James Pace says:

    Bjorn: based on your quote, what pedals do you specifically classify as ones that would not interfere? Your quote: “Mids boosted and compressed amps (Marshall/Hiwatt and similar) – NO Tube Screamer and Rat (or similar sounding clones). ONLY transparent, mids scooped or flat EQ overdrives, distortions and fuzz.”

    • Bjorn says:

      Well first of all, there are no rules. You can very well use a Tube Screamer or Rat with a Marshall. Lots of people do. My point was that different pedals are designed for different amps and one shouldn’t expect all pedals to work equally well with all amps. For Hiwatts, Marshalls and similar amps I would personally go for less compressed pedals, like a BD2, Tube Driver, Power Boost, fuzz, old boosters. Depends on how you use the amp as well. Nothing sounds more classic rock than a cranked Marshall combined with a SD1 or TS9 but again, it depends on what tones you want and how you’ll be using the amp.

      • JAMES PACE says:

        Great thx! I have a Marshall Bliesbreaker 1962(Handwired) and was curious about specific ones for that. I use a BK Tube Driver and like that at higher volumes as well as an old big box Soul Bender by FT that apparently has a nice set of Nkt’s in it (not all FT does) and an Ox Fuzz which has similar but different kind of fuzz. I also use the effectrode fire bottle which is amazing thanks to your suggestion. Any recommendations along those lines?

        • Bjorn says:

          Seems that you pretty much got it covered. I have a Silver Jubilee. Different than your Bluesbreaker but I often set it up for a Plexi kind of tone and add a Distortion + or TS9 in front of it. Instant classic tone. The TD works very well too and compliments those older BBs, JTMs, Pexis etc. I don’t know, the old Colorsound Power Boost goes very well with mid rangy and compressed amps. You could either go for the original reissue or one of the many clones, like the Electronic Orange Bananaboost or Buffalo FX Powerbooster.

          • Phil says:

            Hi Bjorn, I’ve got a silver jubilee 25/50 and I’ve tried using it with a big muff nano and sun face bc109c without much luck. The tone ends up getting really compressed and thin with either pedal, more so on the drive channel. Any tips on amp settings for these fuzzes? Thanks!

            • Bjorn says:

              That’s pretty much the nature of Marshall and the JCM models in particular. That heavy mid range, compression and low headroom is perhaps not the best match for a Muff. At least not for David’s tones where you want lots of headroom and little compression as the platform for your Muff tones. I would try to use the clean channel, roll back the mids and treble to 10-11:00 and perhaps consider a slightly less aggressive Muff, like the EHX Green Russian or a triangle clone.

  26. Calvin says:

    I’ve been hoping for a thread like this because I am at a loss for which distortion pedal will kick the newest amp addition in my collection. I’ve always been a Fender amp type of guy with a vintage 1966 blackface pro reverb for the post tweed era and a couple of tweeds, a super and and deluxe, to round things out and i’ve been happy with them but my newest amp threw me a curve in figuring out the right pedals. Some of my existing pedals love the amp but some are a bit flat. The new amp is a recent Marshall 2245THW and I had a custom made Mather 2X12 open back cab made that is loaded with cream back Celestions with an M & H for a crossover flavor and the combo is killer for a luscious sounding base tone overall but even at 30 watts this amp is pretty damn clean overall and the only pedals I’ve found that it loves is a JH-1 silicon fuzz face and an older wampler plexidrive that works moderately well. I tried a custom shop soothsayer and it was a good pedal but didn’t really like the Marshall. Bottomline is this, I don’t know which distortion pedal will be the perfect marriage for this amp. Thought about an older rat but after reading the recommendations on matching amps to pedals as regards mid heavy amps I am lost as ever. Would love a recommendation for 3 pedals that would like the Marshall 2245THW amp and really push the amp over the edge in a good way. Thanks for any help you can give me on this. In closing I wanted to mention that I had thought about the Mojo Hand Colossus since Eric Gales seems to get good mileage out of that pedal but don’t really know if it would favor the Marshall, I think Gales uses Two Rock amps for the most part but I could be wrong. I’ll close and hope someone has sorted this out already. Thanks in advance.

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Calvin, personally I find that those vintage style Marshalls sound best with a bit of dirt. Set clean they sound a bit flat. Either cranked really hard with a fuzz or booster in front of it or, in combo with some of the classic Marshall pairings like a Boss SD-1, MXR Distortion + etc. I also love how the Tube Driver sounds with Marshalls. The JTM has a moderate mid range and compression but pedals like the RAT, OCD etc will often sound a bit too overwhelming. It also depends on the settings you have on the amp. I like to roll back the treble and mids a bit, which seem to provide a better pedal platform. Hope this helped.

  27. I have a mid 2000’s 100W twin and I know what you mean about the Big Muff. It sounded huge, but very aggressive and harsh. However, I recently picked up a Soul Food (klon klone) and, if hit the muff with the soul food (before the muff in the chain) it really smooths it out and gives it a great attack. I’ve started using the muff again through my Twin as a result.

  28. Shaun says:

    Hey Bjorn ! Excellent article. Enjoyed reading it. Please help me with this…I have a Peavey 6505+ combo which is a popular metal / high gain amp. But I was looking to tighten it’s tone and maybe color it a little hoping that I’d have a unique tone and not a generic metal tone. So instead of the usual TS9 / 808 pedals, I was looking into pedals like a Friedman BE-OD or a Wampler Tumnus deluxe and run them through the clean or crunch channel of the amp. Will that be a good idea ?? Thanks.

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried that but they both have a bit of mids and compression, which I guess will compliment often scooped metal sounds. You might also look into the Xotic EP Booster.

  29. Darwin says:

    Hello guys, I am new to this tube amp thing and I hope you could answer my questions. I recently bought a fender tube amp and I was wondering if I still need to buy separate pedals like overdrive, distortion or fuzz. I know that this amp already have built-in distortion or overdrive when cranked some dials. So, do I still need those dedicated pedals? If yes, which one should I get? I am more onto blues and classic rock type of player. Appreciate all your future comments and suggestions. Peace!

    • Bjorn says:

      Depends on how you’ll be using the amp. Most amps are capable of producing anything from clean to crunchy overdrive and distortion but that often reuqire that you play fairly loud. The reason you want to use pedals, apart from experimenting with different tones, is to better be able to control the amount of gain on different volume levels. Most Fender amps can do a pretty good overdrive tone but for fuzz and heavier distortion you might want to add a pedal or two. I’ve suggested some pedals in the feature above.

      • Darwin says:

        Thanks Bjorn. I appreciate it… You have a good point. That’s why I am going to try pedals. I’ll try an overdrive and a fuzz.

  30. Andrew says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Your website is seriously awesome. Very informative.
    Hoping for your opinion on something here – I sold my old amp that i hated, and now I’m left with a few pedals, among them a Chandler Tube Driver and a ProCo Rat. Do you think i could get some decent Gilmour tones out of these two from a Katana 50? Thanks!

    • Andrew says:

      Sorry, i meant a Tube Works Tube Driver. One of the 3 knob ones.

    • Bjorn says:

      Yes. The Rat should go very well with it and you shouldn’t have any issues with the TD either. The Katana is a great sounding and versatile amp.

  31. Dorian says:

    Hi bjorn, i dont understand english very well but in your opinion, do you think tube driver bk Butler and green russian big muff cab be a good choice with a fender blues junior mark iv ?

    Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      Yes but it wont’ sound as smooth and compressed as with a Hiwatt. You’d get a brighter and more open tone. For a similar tone as David’s you might want to go for the more mid rangy and compressed pedals as discussed in this feature.

      • Dorian says:

        Hello, OK I bring some clarifications.For the moment, I have not chosen my amp yet but I have a find a BK Butler Tude driver and I bought it. It was a unique opportunity. My guitar is a Fender American Standard with custom shop fat 50 pickups.

        If I understand your answer, Fender amp is not the best solution with a tube driver or a big muff. For a similar tone as Davids’ it would be better to buy a Marshall amp (for example) because it is naturally compressed ?

        A compressor with theses pedals can be a solution for a Fender Amp ?

        Thanks !

        • Bjorn says:

          A compressor or EQ can compensate to some extent but they won’t turn a Fender into a Marshall :) A Marshall is one way to go, especially the more vintage sounding models but they can be a bit too aggressive for David’s tones. One of my best non-Hiwatt tips is the Laney Lionheart amps. Basically a VOX meets early Marshall meets Hiwatt. Very versatile and they can handle any pedal.

          • Dorian says:

            OK thanks for your answer and for the tip :). I think I made a mistake buying the tube driver too early, without knowing the importance of the amp compared to the pedal.

            the bassbreaker, although it is different from other fender is not a good solution ? the h & K tubmeister either ?

            • Bjorn says:

              The gain channel on the H&K sounds like a modern Marshall. I guess that’s as close as you’ll get. It’s not a vintage sounding amp by any means.

              • Dorian says:

                OK, thanks ! Do you thing new Marshall Origin can do the job ? I’ll go test it with the bassbreaker and a laney

                • Bjorn says:

                  Haven’t tried them yet but based on the specs I guess so.

                  • Dorian says:

                    Hello Bjorn, I found my amp !!! A fender FSR midnight oil bassbreaker with HP greenback. Tubes are 3 12 ax7 (preamp) end 2x EL84 for 15 watts. I foud my sound and with BK Butler Tude driver, I get closer to David’s tone. I use a TC nova delay and I think i will buy Mooer Elec Lady but I’m not sure for the compressor :-(

                    Thanks for your tips !

                    What do you think about ALH effects ?

            • Carlos says:

              If you are NOT a “purist” have you ever considered a Line 6’s Helix pedalboard as the main (or unique…) gadged on your rig? I’ve bought one this year and its emulations (amps, cabinets and effects) are awesome and we can connect our favorite “physical pedals” via its send-returns entries. And… Build personalized patches for each desired song that can be saved (and you can make backups also). If the Fender BassBreaker you’ve bought is the one with send-returns on the back, with Helix you can bypass the “amp” and use the pedalboard emulated ones (the Hiwatt, Fenders, Mesa Boogies, Marshals etc.). There are hundreds of “ready to go” patches for Gilmour, Mayer, Clapton or any other guitarhero you can remember (some for free, some are paied) that you can adust to your taste and to your amp and room/studio. Best regards from Brazil!

  32. Dan says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Your advice is super helpful. I wanted to see if you could recommend an overdrive pedal for my bedroom set up. I play a PRS Custom 24, through a Laney Lionheat Head and matcing Lionheat cabinet w/ Celestian G12H 70th.

    I was considering an Analogman King of Tone, Buffalo Evolution or Soothsayer paired with a clean boost like a Paul Chochrane Timmy or a Soul Food.

    Would one of those OD’s make sense and would it pair well with a clean boost?

    Thank you!

    • Bjorn says:

      The Evolution and Soothsayer has a lot of gain and are better used alone. If you’re looking for a versatile overdrive and one that you can boost, I’d go for a KoT, OCD or the Vick Audio Tree of Life. They’re all somewhat similar.

  33. Phil says:

    Amazing article, as they all are. Sorry if you have already answered this, but there are over 400 comments – I have a gibson SG with P90 pick ups. Where do P90s fit in terms of frequency? Am I right in thinking somewhere between a Tele single and a humbucker?

    Thanks

  34. Michel Giroux says:

    Thanks.
    It looks like THE Pink Floyd reference book!!

  35. Andrés says:

    Hi Bjorn.

    I am mostly a bedroom player (small clubs very ocasionally) i’d like to know if the new Green russian big muff would work fine with my fender Princeton 112plus.
    Cheers.

    • Andrés says:

      (For Gilmour tones)

    • Bjorn says:

      You can tweak it for something similar as the Princeton has a bit of mids and compression but it won’t sound as smooth and big as when paring it with a Hiwatt or Marshall, which have much more mids and the character of David’s tones. If you’re seeking THAT tone, I would go for something a bit more versatile like an OCD or similar.

  36. Gilles says:

    Hi Bjorn
    I have a Peavey VK 212 and a Fender frontman 212.
    Which one is the most suitable for David’s tone ?

    • Bjorn says:

      Both I would say. Depends on how you set it up. The Peavey might be easier to mix with typically scooped pedals such as Muff and fuzzes but the Fender will provide that clean chime and a great platform for pedals that have more mid range and compression. Depends on your guitar and pickups too and what sort of tones you’re looking for.

      • Gilles says:

        Actually I have a Epiphone Les Paul with humbuckers and later I will buy a Fender strat classic 70. I’m really in love with DSOTM and Animals tones.

  37. Rayf says:

    Hey Bjorn,

    Thanks for the article, I’m always looking for tips on how to manage fuzz.

    I always thought Hiwatt was similar to a Twin in that it was very clean and had tons of headroom. I can see why a Fender amp wouldn’t replicate a Hendrix fuzz tone, but wouldn’t it be close to Dave’s use of fuzz? Didn’t Dave use a Twin on parts of Dark Side as well? I suppose the EQ is different, but the clean character is shared between a Hiwatt & Fender, isn’t it?

    • Bjorn says:

      Not really. There’s much more to an amp than just what you perceive. Fender Twins has very little mid range and compression. The much sought after clean tone has a fat low end and bell-like top. Once you crank it or add pedals, you’ll notice how it gets brighter and more open sounding. Hiwatts has a lot of headroom too but headroom is always a combination of power, tubes and speakers but Hiwatts, being similar to Marshall, has a lot of mid range and compression. So no, it’s not the same amp. David did use Twins on those early 70s recordings and he’s always used Fenders in the studio. They can often be easier to record and combos are always easier to tame than those large Hiwatt heads, although he’s used them a lot in the studio as well. Depends on what tones you need.

  38. Michel C Giroux says:

    Re BD2.Thanks Bjorn;your articles comments and responses are always excellent!

  39. Frank Bizzoco says:

    Hey Bjorn. I managed to pick up a Deluxe Mistress XO for my setup, instead of the Mooer elady. I do really like it actually. But based on your reviews of modulation pedals, you had stated it adds more midrange than the original, or the mooer. I am playing through a mid range heavy British Orange CR60 amp. I also have a BYOC Triangle for a muff, and the Fulltone OCD for overdriven PULSE tones. All these pedals are mid range heavy, with the midrange heavy Deluxe Mistress. So I suppose the question I am asking is what happens when you add too much mid range in the mix? Would putting the Triangle into “mids scooped” mode take care of all that? Skol!

    • Bjorn says:

      It all depends on how you’ve set the amp, what pickups you use and what sort of tones you like. Too much mid range can often sound dark, almost choked and a bit overwhelming but it also depends on what frequency we’re talking about. There really isn’t a good answer to this but trust your ears and hear how your setup blends in a recording or with a band.

  40. Terry Polley says:

    Hi I have a Mesa 5-25 and where would it set in the amp category? It has some fender setting and has some Marshall setting so which pedals would you recommend for that warm creamy tone?

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried it but from what I understand, the clean channel has that scooped Fender chime, while the gain channels has more of that Marshall mids boost and compression. I assume that you’ll be using the clean channel for pedals so I’d choose overdrive and distortion pedals that can compensate for the lack of mids and compression, like the OCD and similar.

  41. Robert Hockensmith says:

    Very educational. Thank you my friend. I presently am using a Hot Rod Deluxe with a Cannibus Rex spkr: 57 RI Amer. Strat w/ Fat/50, SSL5 & 69. Got Russian Muff mini, OCD, SUF 74 Rams Head, Script Phase 90, T Rex Replica”, DD-2, and so on… I’m thinjing a new amp may be in my future. Your opinion would be most appreciated! In ckosing, I love your sight ..I-ve bn following you for years although I stopped playing 6 ir 8 yrs ago when I lost my left forefinger(no more barre chords) Id love to find a small HiWatt, Laney, etc for home as I’m basically learning to play all over again. “I will never surrender.” Thanks again for all your hard work and dedication.

    • Bjorn says:

      Depends on your budget. I’ve listed some of my favourite budget/midrange amps in the buyer’s guide. I really can’t praise the Lionhearts enough. It’s down to taste obviously but it’s an incredibly versatile and pedal friendly amp.

  42. Juan says:

    Hey Bjorn, i m thinking about buying a TC Mojomojo as an overdriver for blues and boosting sound.. i am using a blackstar HT5r for practice.. will this pedal do the work?

    • Bjorn says:

      The MojoMojo is kind of a beefed up Tube Screamer. Lots of mids and compression.

      • Juan says:

        so the answer would be positive, correct?, will work perfectly in a tube amp.

      • Diogo Martins says:

        I’m sorry but I have to wholeheartly disagree Bjorn, I find the MojoMojo to be quite flat and transparent when the treble is cranked, otherwise is just dark and bassy as if the tone knob was rolled off but nowhere middy as a TubeScreamer, also, the distortion is not creamy at all, very amp-like until 3 o’clock, then it becomes a bit fuzzy, like a cranked BD2, in fact, between the two pedals, the only differences I find is a bit of lack of bass in the BD2 in comparison and the BD2 has a crispy attack and a bit more clarity than the MojoMojo

        • Bjorn says:

          Well, it’s definitely based on that TS9/SD1 tone but the fact that you got separate controls for treble and bass, makes the tone stack more versatile and you can easily tweak the pedal for a more transparent BD2 tone, OCD and similar but its got the mid range and compression of those “modern” pedals.

  43. Bruce LaVerdiere says:

    Great stuff Bjorn thank you!
    Im currently gigging with a mic’ed up 2006 Dr Z Maz 18. Im sure you know the amp, it has a good EQ section, treble, bass, and mid controls as well as cut, master Vol, and channel Vol along with verb. In reference to this article on amps and OD pedals that get along well, how would you classify this amp like you talked above with Fender, Vox, Marshall, HiWatt etc? Also, I have over 30 OD pedals and would like to know pedals play particularily well with this amp if possible. “to be heard” in the mix. Cutting through has been my biggest dilemma for years. I can have a great clean tone going, very well heard, then sometimes a I stomp on one of my “stacked” OD’s which I usually set at unity gain or slightly above, and I get lost, so I compensate by kicking on a boost or another pedal. Help! If you can understand what I am saying. Thank you! Bruce

    • Bjorn says:

      It’s closer to a Fender than Marshall for sure but it’s got a different character all together. Hard to compare and it seems to handle most pedals better than typically scooped and uncompressed Fenders as well.

  44. Kevin says:

    Good explanation, thanks.
    I use a 1979 music man, just finished cap replacement, and fitted early breakup E34Ls. Its got great cleans with strat and just breaks nicely with humbuckers. I like the sound so much I don’t like to use pedal. Its too loud to wind up at home though.
    I also built a 5W british amp from a kit, that’s really good for bedroom as you can push the valves (1xECC83, 1xEL84) at almost no volume. I use it with DIY clones, OCD and Alpha (dumble style), and a Buffalo Evolution (after watching your review).
    One sound I REALLY like is the fire bottle pedal you reviewed, I watch that one over and over just for entertainment. Not sure it would work with my setup though. I had an effectrode blackbird which didn’t do it for me.

  45. Thomas Creson says:

    One of the best basic considerations article on combining guitar gear I have read, perfect for me as a newbie to guitar gear.

  46. Michel Giroux says:

    Thanks Bjorn,
    Best regards.

  47. Thomas says:

    Hello Bjorn !

    I just bought myself a Twin Reverb and play mostly with a Telecaster. I LOVE my clean and crunch sound with the Twin for jamming, but with my band we play Hard Blues Rock where I need a fat/fuzz tone kind of like Dan Auerbach/Jordan Cook.

    I thought of trying to combine a mid-pushy pedal like the TS or Fulldrive 2 with a fuzz, have you ever tried to combine both?

    Also, I am looking for the best Fuzz to use with my Twin and Tele. Do you know if some kinds of Fuzz react better with the mid-scooped Twin? Will Tone-Bender types work better than Big Muffs?

    Thanks in avance for the insight ! :)

    • Bjorn says:

      Fuzz pedals and Muffs often sound kind of choked when you combine them with compressed and mid rangy pedals like the TS and similar. It will work better on mids scooped amps like the Twin but you’d have to be careful with total amount of gain between the two pedals and personally I find it hard to dial in the tones I want. I’m sure others have other experiences. As I’ve tried to point out in this feature, fuzz and Twins isn’t wrong. You’ll find that combo on countless recordings but it will not sound as smooth and compressed as when David cranks his FF or Muff on a Hiwatt. It’s just different. Unless you really want that late 60s fuzz buzz I’d rather go for something a bit more versatile like a OCD or similar, wich will provide that fuzz character but with more compression and mids which will suit the amp.

  48. Michel Giroux says:

    But you should 😉
    No worries,thanks!
    And gilmourish.com is awesome.
    Mike
    P.S.What do you know about Roger Waters’ bass,
    amps and effects?

  49. Gabriele says:

    Hi Bjorn! Great feature, very useful! So, the point is basically that Big Muff goes well with mid rangy amps and less well for mid scooped amps (at least for Gilmourish tones). But what about using a Muff with a combination of the two type of amps (e.g. Marshall and Fender), as shown in this episode of That Pedal Show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWQKq1Yy7TU)?
    As I understand, there are many famous Big Muff users that employ this kind of multi-amp voicing (Auerbach of The Black Keys should be doing that). I’m very curious to know what do you think about that.

    Thanks for your great works, bye!

    Ps: I know you disclaimed these tips aren’t gospel, but aren’t some pedals like the OCD and especially the RAT quite versatile and useful with both kind of amps? You used them with your Reeves, right? And David used the RAT in Pulse with Hiwatts, didn’t he?

    • Bjorn says:

      Yes and that’s the point I’m trying to make. There’s no rule saying that you can’t use Muffs with Fenders or Rats with Marshall or Hiwatt. A lot of people do but you shouldn’t expect that to sound identical to David’s tones. It’s not wrong but different. In many cases, rather than trying desperately to make a Fender+Muff sound like a Hiwatt+Muff you might be better off with different pedals. David has often combined Fenders and Hiwatts in the studio and with Muffs. It offer a wider palette of tones and more dynamics.

  50. Michel Giroux says:

    Greetings Bjorn,
    I might have asked you this before;if I have,please accept my apology.
    Are you familiar with the EHX Micro Synthesizer?If you are,what do you think of it?
    Best regards.

  51. Art Prince says:

    Bjorn-
    I use a silverface Princeton Reverb mostly, but my backup for gigs is a Goodsell 17 watt amp with a Celestion 12 inch speaker and I am not sure if this amp is Vox or Marshall inspired. Looks cosmetically like a Marshall though. So would I need different ODs for these two amps?

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m not familiar with the Goodsell so I can’t really comment on that. The Princeton has more compression and mid range than most Fender amps but you probably want to check out some mid range oriented pedals to pair with it, like the BD2, OCD or TS9… or similar. You should be able to determine whether the amps are similar or different by plugging the guitar straight into the amp, set the EQ controls at noon and add a bit of breakup from the pre amp tubes. If a Marshall, the Goodsell shuld sound much smoother and pop out more compared to the Princeton. Hard to describe but you should notice a difference if they are different.

  52. Simon says:

    Hi Bjorn! thanks for you’re job! the site is amazing! (i’m a fan of airbag, great song!)
    I have a question for You:
    actually i have this configuration: strat with d allen echoes pickup into a hiwatt t20. the pedal board: dynacomp vintage ’74->orange moon vibe->pig hoof (yellow label)->buffalo TD-X-Z->buffalo Power Booster->Ehx electric mistress->Tc Electronic Alter Ego delay-> boonar dawner prince.
    In You’re opinion is the right sequence of pedal?

    thanks a lot
    Rock on!

    Simon

  53. Michel Giroux says:

    Hello Bjorn,my question has to do with the BD2.Are you saying it has less mid range and compression but it has mid range and compression nevertheless?
    I thought the BD2 was mids scooped and works well with compressed amps,(like Hiwatt).

    • Bjorn says:

      It’s more like a full range overdrive, like the Tube Driver. It’s got a bit of mid range, but considerably less than a Tube Screamer. It goes well with most amps, while a TS often sound too compressed and overwhelming with Hiwatts and Marshall.

  54. Carsten says:

    Hei Bjørn,
    kanskje du kan hjelpe meg med valg av pedaler:
    Jeg har el-gitar Duesenberg 49er med de opprinnelige pickupene. Rørforsterer Laney L5 Lionheart head (5 hhv 0,5 w) med tilsvarende Laney 2×12 inch kabinett. Anna forsterker jeg harer solid state Roland JC 22 pga clean tonen, men har lyst Ã¥ prøve om jeg fÃ¥r til en god distorted sound med den.
    Jeg er forholdsvis ny til gitar-verden og spiller igrunnen bare hjemme, ingen gigs el l.
    Vil gjerne ha delay og overdrive/distortion pedaler, evt er reverben Keeley Nocturner også aktuell.
    Er klar over at du ikke kan ha oversikt over alle forsterker, pickups osv, men jeg tar sjansen å spørre om din mening om hvilke pedaler kan funke fint med mine forsterker.
    mvh Carsten

    • Bjorn says:

      Hei Carsten. Det kommer jo helt an pÃ¥ hvilke lyder du ønsker. Tenker du først og frems Gilmour eller noe som vil dekke en rekke ulike sjangre og stiler? Jeg anbefaler ofte minimum en distortion, overdrive og delay. Med disse tre kan du dekke det meste. OgsÃ¥ Gilmour. Utover det kan du ogsÃ¥ vurdere f.eks. phaser, chorus, flanger osv. Lionheart tar det meste av pedaler. Jeg ville kanskje gÃ¥tt for noe allsidig, som f.eks. en Fulltone OCD til distortion og en Boss BD2 for boost of overdrive. Til delay anbefaler jeg TC Electronic Flashback. Denne er utrolig allsidig og koster ikke all verden. Jeg har enbefalt noen pedaler i artikkelen over ogsÃ¥ anbefaler jeg deg Ã¥ lese How to get killer tones on your bedroom setup samt kikke igjennom Buyer’s Guide oversiktene.

      • Carsten says:

        Hei Bjørn,
        og takk for svar samt tipsene. Ja, tenkte ulike sjangre og stiler med bl a Gilmour, Gary Moore og Santana. Fulltone OCD’en har jeg hørt om, men den hadde jeg ikke tatt sÃ¥ virkelig i betraktning. Rotet meg litt vekk i reviews om Xotic Soul Driven, Tortenmann TA100, Diktator Dawner Prince Electronics, Wampler Plexi-Drive Deluxe og Thorpy Gunshot. Kanskje peker de seg virkelig ut av mengden, kanskje er de bare flavour of the month? Headroom pÃ¥ Laney L5en er jo litt begrenset som noen sa til meg, kanskje er disse pedalene ‘for gode’? I’m new to this pedal world though :) Jau, har lest ‘How to get …’ og ‘Buyer’s guide’, men fant ikke helt ut av det, er newbie som sagt.
        Boss BD2 Waza er blant kandidatene fra før, og TC Electronic Flashback står nå på lista.
        Utrolig bra artikkel forresten (husker ikke tittelen pÃ¥ den i farten) du skrev om man alltid vil ha mer, dyrt er (ikke) nødvendigvist godt osv.! Har unt meg en Duesenberg 49er (eneste gitar som jeg har), men kjenner pÃ¥ meg lysten Ã¥ ville mer, les: flere. Ufornuftig, jeg vet …
        Lykke til med prosjektene dine – keep on rockin’
        Hilsen, Carsten

        • Bjorn says:

          Nei, det er ikke prisen det kommer an på :) Likevel anbefaler jeg alltid å bruke det du kan på gitar og amp. Det lønner seg i lengden også får du instrumenter som er inspirerende. Det betyr ikke at du skal kjøpe dyrt, men det beste du kan. Pedaler låter bedre på skikkelig utstyr, men det viktigste er alltid å vite hvordan du bruker det du har. Jeg kjenner ikke alle de du nevner, men OCD, Plexi Drive og BD2 er absolutt å anbefale.

  55. Javier says:

    Hey Bjorn,
    Could you please recommend me a hi-gain pedal for my Hot Rod Deluxe? I´ve already tried the RAT and the OCD which I love, but I think I need a bit more gain. I´m playing an Epi Sheraton II.

    Thanks!

    • Bjorn says:

      Well, both should have lots of gain. Perhaps you’re thinking of more top end, which will open up the pedal a little? Try the Buffalo FX TD-X or Vick Audio Tree of Life :)

  56. Sean says:

    I play a Gibson es-335 through a 1950’s Magnatone 213. I have found little information about using this amp with pedals and effects online (for instance how to get around fact that there’s no effect loop) any idea how an amp like this stacks up against the ideas in this article? I know it doesn’t sound like a Marshall but not a Fender either…not sure what effects the 50s electronics lend themselves better to.

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m not that familiar with those amps but based on the specs alone, I would guess something like an early Fender perhaps Bassman. In any case typically US voiced, with less mid range and compression that the British Marshall/Hiwatt etc. I’m not sure how these amps work with pedals but it shouldn’t be a problem using pedals like the Boss BD2, Tube Driver and similar for some nice overdrive and milder disortion tones. Not sure how fuzz and Muffs would work with David’s tones in mind.

    • marc paola says:

      Ive had a range of fender amps. the original 410 deville that I wish I kept ( I had a great tone out of it with a wf rat). A 1969 silverface super reverb and they are great amp. You are right about the mid scoup of the bf/sf amps as I now play a tweed super with 2 12inch jensons built by Achillies here in Australia. It is a great amp with a very defferent tonal range to the other amps I have had. but a no go zone for ts type peadals. I run a dod 250 as a boost.

  57. Gerry says:

    Hi Bjorn,
    Brilliant info on this blog. Trying hard to get my head around it all & hoping you can help a little please.

    I have a 1989 Gibson Les Paul Standard with “The Original” circuit board (Bill Lawrence) pickups still fitted. Also I have an unused Tone City tape delay pedal. My family have bought me a Egnater Tweaker 15 Combo for my retirement. Now its up to me to learn so I would like to get to a tone that I can enjoy as I begin the journey.

    I would like a sound that is clear (ish) but warm with a sweet creamy tone and a crisp bite at the end. (how on earth do we describe a tone that only I can “hear”??)

    These 2 links to Matt Thorpe are close to the tones I like.
    First at 1min.36sec, similar to what I seek but with a touch more bite.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEGg1UK5ho
    and also this intro tone on Knocking on Heavens Door – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGRHkGPMkw

    Do I need pedals to get to my dream tones if so which ones would work for me on the Egnater Tweaker 15 combo amp? ( mids or scooped mids or both?) on the gear I have or do I need a change in pickups?

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m not that familiar with that amp but from what I understand it has the ability to cover a lot of ground, from typical scooped Fender to more British early Marshall and Vox. Perhaps not as mid rangy as a modern Marshall or Hiwatt but conciderably more mid and compression that your Fender Twin and similar. You should be able to get similar tones to what you are describing with just the amp. See this feature for some amp set up tips. If you want to look into some pedals, I suggest something versatile that will cover as much ground as possible and sound good on different volume levels. This should be explained in the feature above but check out the overdrive and distortion buyer’s guide as well for more tips. See the buyer’s guide for modulation and delay as well if that’s something you consider getting.

  58. Henry Wong says:

    Hi Bjorn! Great article! I’m just getting my way into effects for amps etc.. It’s quite overwhelming!!! I’m looking to re-vamp my board as I’m getting a little better. I’m using a Fender Bassbreaker 15 Amp. Can you recommend a board set up to compliment it? My influences are Kotzen, AC/DC, Bonamassa, Foo’s, Wayne-Shepherd to name a few. Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      Almost impossible to suggest anything because it depends so much on what you really like and prefer. I would go for something versatile that suits your amp, like the Fulltone OCD for overdrive and distortion and perhaps a Boss BD2 for boost and milder overdrives. There are many similar pedals out there so do a bit of research but I think you would want something with emphasis on the mid range for your amp. These two pedals should cover most of the ground and you probably want a delay and perhaps some modulation for flavouring. See the delay buyer’s guide and modulation buyer’s guide for some tips.

  59. Ross Fowler says:

    Hi I’ve got an epiphone les Paul and a Vox ac30. I’m using the boss blues driver to get the crunchy sound for the indie rock sort of sound but I have to turn the tone all the way down otherwise it crackles and sounds awful. Is there another pedal I should try that would work with this combination? Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      If the pedal crackle, there must be something wrong I guess. The BD2 works nicely with Vox amps. That’s at least my experience. What’s your settings on the amp and pedal?

  60. Hi! Great and clear article! I am always learning from you.
    How would you describe the Two-Rock Studio Pro 35 combo? Mids scooped tone or pronounced mid range?

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried the amp but based on its specs I would imagine that it’s based on vintage Fenders with a fairly scooped tone and lots of headroom.

  61. Hi Bjorn. Love the site.
    I’m running a Fender Bassbreaker 15 & Tweed Blues Jnr III as a dual mono/wet-dry rig with my MIM Deluxe Players Stratb w/ Vintage Noiseless pups.
    The Blues Jnr loves my OCD but the Bassbreaker does not. Any thoughts on a mid-hi gain overdrive that could work ok with both.

    I’ve found that VOX AC15s like OCDs and some Fuzzes no problem. That Pedal Show did a recent episode on this topic.

    Thanking you in advance :)

    • Bjorn says:

      I would try the Boss BD2. It’s somewhat similar to the OCD, but less mid range and compression and you have a wider sweep from clean to fuzz.

      • Thanks, my pedal repair/guitar tech said much the same. Will grab the Waza Blues Driver he has held for me.
        Thanks!.

        Any thoughts on Butler Tube Driver into the amps I mentioned. I am thinking not enough headroom.

        • Bjorn says:

          I haven’t tried the combo myself but I would imagine that the Bassbreaker would go nicely with the Tube Driver. For Vox amps I would go for something with a bit more mid range and compression, like the Vick Audio Tree of Life or similar.

    • Dan Walker says:

      Hey man! I am running a similar rig to you and thought I would ask a question on how you set both amps? I run a fender bassbreaker 15 dry with a modded peavy classic 30 wet (the mod has made the amp way more clear and crisp but still with a fairly pronounced mid range which I believe is reminiscent of older tweed amps). I am constantly unhappy with the amount of mids in my tone and I believe this is lower mids cause it just tends to sound way too honkey and muffled. I have recently started using a Waza Craft BD2 for light overdrive and using the Andy Timmons clean tone trick. Even though the BD2 is a bit flatter in the EQ it’s still too mid range for my ears and wondered how you were setting the two amps? I am struggling to set the bassbreaker to compliment the classic 30 and remove that lower mid honkeyness. My lead tone has ample mids at the moment and it’s more taming the mids for my clean and slight overdrive tone. Sorry for the long message but I seem to be running around in circles not achieving the sweet, clear and crisp tone that works to my ears. I have an OCD that sounds great into the classic 30 but just way too honkey into the bassbreaker!

      • Bjorn says:

        The C30 has more mids and upper mids than the Bassbreaker so you’re probably getting too much lower mids and bass. You shouldn’t expect the two amps to sound or behave exactly like the other and, it might just be the case that the Bassbreaker isn’t what you need for your desired tones. Still, don’t be afraid to experiment with the EQ controls and if needed, turn down the bass on the Bassbreaker to make room for the mids and treble. The BD2 also has a lot of low end so you might want to look into pedals with less lows and maybe dedicated bass and treble controls, like the Buffalo FX TDX or EHX Crayon.

  62. Max says:

    Hey,

    I’m playing a Fender Deville 2×12 and was strongly considering a Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop Overdrive.

    Would this peda and amp combination work?

  63. Nico says:

    Hi! Great and clear article!
    How would you describe the Hugh and Kettner Tubemeister 18’s two channels? I believe you know the amp, saw it in one of your other excellent articles! Scooped or boosted?
    I notice a difference between the channels as if they have different tone/eq presets? I can’t really put my finger on the difference though…
    Thanks!
    Nico

    • Bjorn says:

      The clean channel has a distinct Fender chime with practically no compression. It’s not that suited for pedals… or that’s at least my experience. Nice tone of its own though. The lead channel is somewhat similar to a JCM Marshall but more modern sounding. I used to have this set clean with pedals. Worked nicely with almost anything.

  64. Gustavo says:

    Hey bjorn, i’m using a bb preamp for boosting my wampler plexy drive and my iron bell… my amps are fender blues junior and fender hot rod deluxy. The ts9 is a best combination from this amps? Or bb pre amp is ok?
    I would like your sugestions that the eq for my amps, who are your sugestions?
    Tks!!! I’m sorry for my english…

  65. Dane Houshower says:

    I’m using a bugera v22 head what overdrive an distortion pedals would you recommend

    • Bjorn says:

      It’s based on the British Vox amps, which has less mid range than your typical Hiwatt and Marshall. For David’s tones I’d go for something versatile and mid range oriented, like the Fulltone OCD, ProCo Rat or similar clones.

  66. Marco says:

    Hi is a Mesa Rectoverb 25 more like a marshal or fender? Mis acciones or mid boost? Thanks anyone!

  67. Daryl Vogel says:

    Thank you, Bjorn. I have a Fender HSS Shawbucker Strat running through a Michael Landau inspired Fender Hot Rod Deville. I was ready to purchase a Vick Audio 73 Ram’s Head based on your Buyers Guide recommendation but then I read this article. Now I’m having second thoughts. Should I reconsider? I do have a Rat pedal and an OCD overdrive pedal already in my pedal board. Given my amp/guitar combo, should I just stick with the Rat? Also, would it make any difference if, when using a 73 Ram’s Head, to adjust the midrange volume on the Deville?

    • Bjorn says:

      A matter of taste I guess but I would stick to the Rat and OCD.

    • Carlos Mink says:

      Hi Daryl, greetings from Brazil. I know that my response will not please those who are more purist about hardware … But … After years of pedals of all kinds and switchers (that need to be adjusted for every song or style that we want to play every moment) I would not fail to consider a Line 6’s Helix pedalboard with its embedded Yamaha-based amps and pedal emulations (and 04 extra “send-returns” to our favorite pedals). I already had the opportunity to see 03 of this model in use (one in a studio by a famous Brazilian rock band) and the possibility of creating and recording patches (combinations of amps emulations, distortions and modulations) for EVERY MUSIC including the favorite pedals mentioned in any position in the “virtual rig”) is impressive. I only found a video of the old model HD 500 of Line 6 demonstrating the creation of a patch with “David Gilmour style” (it is in Portuguese and with poor audio, but it gives an idea of ​​the potential of this type of pedalboard) . Imagine how much evolution has occurred until the manufacturer reaches HELIX (including the software for editions on your computer that is far more advanced and user friendly than this one on the video) … Follow the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPXGMoal5ZE. I hope I have collaborated in some way :-)

  68. Ian Oakshott says:

    Nice article Bjorn.
    I mainly use a Goodsell champton (tweed champ/Princeton mash up) around the house and a 5e3 tweed deluxe for playing out. Contrary to popular opinion you can get a great singing type of clean sound out of a deluxe at band levels if you know how to set it up. This being my favourite, easily attainable sound from this amp, to distort it’s just too damn loud. This deluxe being a bit of a monster. My king of tone sounds great through both amps which is my main overdrive. I have various fuzz pedals which all sound good but I’m after something with a smooth sustaining muff like distortion but without too much fuzz. I am particularly interested in a Buffalo fx evolution. My main guitar is an amazing Kingbee S type I’ve had for some years with Lollar blackface strat pickups. With your experience of the evolution do you think it will work with this set up. I will say muffs and fuzz faces work well with this circuit but are just too fuzzy for me!!

    • Bjorn says:

      The Evolution has much more compression and mid range compared to Muffs and fuzz pedals but it is fairly bright and it has a lot if gain so in that sense it’s really not that far off the other two. Still, you can easily dial back the gain on the Evo for some nice tones. You might also want to check out stuff like the Buffalo FX Carrera or the Vick Audio Tree of Life. I think both will go nicely with your setup.

      • Ian oakshott says:

        Thanks Bjorn, had my eye on the Carrera since it came out. I also use Gas fx Drive Thru which is a really meaty sounding handwired overdrive set quite clean into the kot. It would be interesting to hear the Carrera compared to that. I will say that I’ve been using my old carl Martin comp/limiter again lately which does smooth things out quite nicely into the tri/ram. I used that for years and don’t know why I stopped using it! I must say that your site is an amazing resource, I’ve been reading your articles for some years and really must take my hat off to you. Just need someone to start a Neil Youngish site to cover my two favourite guitarists!!!

  69. Bruce LaVerdiere says:

    Hello Bjorn! I ALWAYS go to your blogs for everything tone related keep up the excellent work and keep replying to posts! So, I have an AC-15C2 with Greenback and an AC-30C2 woth Alnico Blues. Could you please classify these amps based on midrange so I can think through all the drive pedals I have to see what fits best? In other words are these scooped mids? Any other classifying you can do is appreciated. I play in a worship band and mostly rely on my pedals for what I need. I would like the AC15 louder at clean volumes but I know that is not its design. And the AC30 is being shipped today so I have no experience but I know I will get louder clean volume and more headroom. If you feel like elaboration that’d be great! Thanks man!

    • Bruce LaVerdiere says:

      What I mean was I was just a little confused when you said “fixed” midrange and the described it together with the Fender. Which, to me would mean scooped mids, but fixed could mean “boosted”?

      • Bjorn says:

        They don’t have a dedicated mid range control so you would have to roll back the treble and bass to make room for the mid range. The more treble and bass you got, the more scooped the mid range will be. Fender amps do have a mid range control, usually, but they are designed to have less mid range than your typical Marshall or Hiwatts. Obvioulsy there are differences within the Fender range.

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Bruce! The Vox AC amps are a bit of both. They don’t have a lot of mid range and compression so based on that I don’t recommend them for the typical Gilmour pedals, like Muffs, fuzz etc… However, when you crank these amps and roll back the tone controls you get a lot of mid range and compression but you’d have to play very loud, which is probably not something you’d do in a bedroom setup. Brian May did that and he got those smooth tones. For Vox amps I would go for pedals with mid range.

  70. Jan says:

    Hi Bjorn, this is very interesting – I play a tele through a Kelley compressor –> tube screamer –>’66 fender Super Reverb setup, and kind of just assumed that that combination isn’t condusive to fuzz. any rec on equalizer?

    • Bjorn says:

      Well, my point was that there are no wrong or bad tones. One pedal can sound very different on different gear and some like what they hear. Others don’t. There is no reason why you can’t have a fuzz on your setup but it might not sound as smooth and fat on your Super Reverb as it would on a Marshall or Hiwatt, since Fender amps tend to have less mid range and compression.

  71. Shadi says:

    Hello Bjorn,
    I don’t know if i got you right, but are you saying there is no way to play with Fuzz on a fender scooped amp?
    No EQ or mid booster can help? i have a Fender Super Champ x2 which i can connect to pc and play around with the level of it’s mid range, could that help me get a better tone of fuzz on fender?

    Thanks a lot man and lots of love!

    • Bjorn says:

      No, you can very well use fuzz and Big Muffs with Fender amps. Lots of well known guitarists has but it’s a different sound. David’s combination of Hiwatts and fuzz pedals produce a smooth compressed tone but on a Fender you will get a brighter tone, less compression and, depending on the amp, often more harmonics. It’s just a different sound but since most people here wants that Gilmour tone, I recommend other pedals than can emulate that mid rangy and compressed sound. You can comensate to some degree with compressors and EQs and some Fenders are more scooped than others.

    • Arya Boustani says:

      In my opinion, the closest way to tailor the sound to match certain level of mids while you don’t loose all the sparkle is to split the signal to two different OD in parallel, one mid only like tube screamer and one more transparent like Vick Audio overdriver and balance out the tone. Then merge the signals. You may need a final EQ preferably with a high quality parametric EQ. With this setup you can create a certain response close to what a mid sounding high-mid compressed tone amp like Hiwatt would give. But it’s always hard to emulate the response of the amp since the tube amplification behaviour is different than transistor. You may end up either being happy or finding alternative useful expressions anyway. 😀

    • simalex says:

      I’d like to chime in bc I run a Big Muff deluxe through a Deluxe Reverb and it sounds awesome (to me.) first, the deluxe big muff has a 2nd “midrange sweep” channel that lets you add mids back into the pedal, which really helps.

      but i also use the tube-screamer as an always-on, essentially 2nd channel, to the amp. i have it set to push or compress the clean a bit. first, it makes the amp itself sound richer. but it —-really—- makes the Big Muff explode. it tightens the bottom, makes the top more searing, makes chords more articulate — i would say that if you’re going to use a big muff through a fender, adding a tube-screamer is, imho, almost essential.

      short answer, it’s definitely possible to get top-notch fuzz through a fender, u just have to put a few lego pieces together to make it work :)

  72. Steve says:

    Hi there, great article.

    If I have a big muff pedal that does not go well with my clean amp, can I correct that with an EQ pedal? In order to bring the mids up I guess is what I mean.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated, thank you!

    • Bjorn says:

      Depends on the amp. What you’re looking for is a combination of a bit of mid range and compression. I usually recommend something a bit more versatile than a Muff for amps lacking mid range.

  73. ANAYV says:

    Great article and info Bjorn!!!
    Since you mentioned the POD X3….would you add anything in front of it….or after it…I.e. Would a deluxe Big Muff be useful for gilmourish tone used with the X3?
    Thanks

    ANAYV

    • Bjorn says:

      I sometimes add modulation pedals but rarely gain pedals. For recording I think Big Muffs especially just sound way too aggressive regardless of what amp sim you use. Perhaps it the input impedance… I don’t know.

  74. Hi Bjorn
    I have a cuple of Australian made amps, Strauss. Fender Strat, Shecter Fastback PT Special Diamond Series, Les Paul.

    Here are the specs for these nice Aussie amps:
    http://undergroundmusic.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1015

    http://undergroundmusic.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1197

    I have a MXR Dynacomp, Fulltone OCD, Marshall BB-2, Ibanez Tube Screamer (80’s model I think), Joyo Deluxe Crunch, Crybaby, a Big Muff Pi (NYC re-issue) and a few mods (Mooer E-Lady, CE-2, Phase 90, Modtone Harmonic Tremolo) and delays (DD7, RV-3, Mooer Reecho) and a Mooer Shimverb

    Any thoughts on a Booster to get something like David’s tone? If I need to get a new amp, what would you suggest for under $1,000?

    SO far, my tone isn’t bad. The EQ needs tweaking, I think, it lacks focus and punch.

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m not familiar with these amps so I can’t really comment on them. Punch and focus is often the result of amp settings, pedal settings, the right combo of pedals for that specific amp etc. In most cases it’s all about knowing your gear and spedning some time with the controls. As for the booster it depends on the voicing of the amp, as described in this feature but the Boss BD2 is hard to beat for versatility.

      • Matthew Davenport says:

        Thanks Bjorn. Those amps are made in China, the design is a fairly straight copy of the old Aussie manufactured Strauss, which itself was a fairly decent clone of Fender Tweed Deluxe. SO “Aussie” is not quite right, but Strauss sill always be Australian to me.

        It’s fairly scooped, but you can compensate for that with EQ and boosters.
        I agree, BD2 is great, my guy offered me a Waza Craft BD2 today. I might take it, they work well with Tube Screamers and are pretty versatile.

  75. Bjorn, Is there a list somewhere, or a resource somewhere, which would tell me, (speaking of Overdrives/Gain/Boost pedals etc.) which ones are set up/designed to be “scooped mid” and which one “ADD mids” to the tone? For instance, I know that a TS-9 circuit is going to give me a nice mid-range boost for when I really need it to cut through the mix right? But that’s all I know it seems. Maybe if I told you what I had you could classify them ad MID BOOST or MID SCOOPED?
    Emerson EM-Drive?
    Fulltone FullDrive 2?
    Earthquaker Palasades?
    JHS Superbolt
    MXR il Torino
    Pigtronics FAT Drive
    ProCo Rat
    Nano Big Muff
    Blues Driver Waza
    Wampler dB+ boost/buffer

    When I am not playing super clean, I like to have a 3 stage overdrive section that I can hit a clean boost when I need to no matter if I am using 1, 2 or all three drives at the same time. I try for that Vintage classic rock dirty but not SUPER dirty, Dirty but clean dirty if that makes sense? Can ya help? Thanks, BL

    • Bjorn says:

      Check out the overdrive and distortion guide. The booster pedals are scooped (little mid range), while the overdrives, starting with the Wampler PlexiDrive on the list, has more mid range and compression. The Tube Screamer is on the far end of the mids boost scale, with lots of cutting mid range and compression. The RAT is similar, while stuff like the Muff, old fuzz pedals etc has very little mid range and compression. I’m not familiar with all your pedals but you should be able to categorize them based on my list and product descriptions.

    • Carlos bRASIL says:

      Hi, Bruce! Don’t forget the Keeley Super Phat Mod Overdrive. It’s around USD 150.00 and its results are awesome in my opinion. Best regards”

  76. larryrivers says:

    Great article Bjorn, a very clear starting point for basic guitar sound. I have followed your advice and playing with a Blues Jr (Fat switch on) + Tele/SG + Ananashead custom silicon FuzzFace (with low end cut at 9) / RAT / Vick Audio Rams Head (Flat position) + TC Sparks Booster (flat with bass at 11 and treble at 1). Since then I have had no issues cutting through a band mix both live and recording. Big thanks!

  77. Barış says:

    Hi Bjorn, really great article.
    I’m thinking to buy Mesa Boogie Lonestar special (or Classic), Mesa Express 5:50 plus, Mesa Rectoverb, Blackstar HT Club 40 or Fender Hot Rod Deluxe iii. I have Seymour Duncan 805 overdrive ( Tube screamer-ish), True tone Jelykk n Hyde overdrive distortion and JHS Muffuletta. Did you have a chance to try 805 and Muffuletta with these amps and for your opinion which amp can be the best for Gilmourish sound? ( I heard the Mesa Boogies are mid scooped amps so it’s not good for Muffuletta but I guess Lonestars has more mid range. Because of this reason I think Lonestar can be good for the job or Hot Rod Deluxe iii or Blackstar. What do you think? )

    • Bjorn says:

      All of these are pretty mids scooped and closer to a Fender than Marshall although the Lonestar has some channel options for tones coser to an early Marshall JTM/Fender Bassman kind of thing. Eitherway, I think your 805 would go nicely with these amps and I think the Muffuletta would do nicely too, although you might want to consider a slightly more mids oriented distortion, like the Rat or OCD.

  78. Michel Giroux says:

    Hello Bjorn,
    Congrats on your new CD!!
    Are the BYOC Large Beaver Ramshead and the Throback Overdrive Boost a good match?
    Best regards,
    Michel Giroux,
    Toronto

  79. Craig Richards says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Thank you again for providing such a wonderful resource and for taking the time and trouble to share your experience and knowledge. Although I’ve played the guitar for a lot of years, I’m new to playing electrics and in particular lead/solo and so I’m trying to soak in as much as I can.

    I’ve had a early 90s Schecter Strat which I’ve just started trying to play in earnest. I believe it has a Schecter super rock bridge pickup ( humbucker ) and schecter monster tone pickups for the middle and bridge. All 3 pickups are tappable.

    I have an old fender champion 110 ( Solid State ) which was not bad for cleans but which I was struggling to get any decent driven sounds out of at my home levels. Based on a lot of what I have read on your site and some youtube reviews etc I am now the proud owner of a Laney L5T and LT112 CAB ( as of yesterday! ) and although I have a lot to learn I can tell that the amp has so many more tone possibilities.

    Pedalwise, I have an old Boss DD-3 Delay, a Vick Audio Tree of Life and one of the MXR 74 re-issue Phase 90 Script ( CSP026 ) – the last two are recent purchases…

    I’m still trying hard to listen and figure out how to make a good tone.
    I really liked your tone on ( and review of ) the Vick Audio 73 Ram’s Head but at the moment I’m not getting close to that kind of tone.

    Given that you are pretty familiar with most of the gear I am using, do you think that the kind of tone you have on the 73 Ram’s Head should be achievable with what I have?

    Or do I need to consider adding Big Muff like the Ram’s Head or Pig Hoof, possibly a compressor and possibly a booster ( or is my TOL fine for that? )

    I know that the musician makes the music, not the gear, and for sure I have a big learning curve not just with amps and pedals in general but also with solo/lead as my mostly entirely acoustic experience to this point has taught me decent rhythms/chords/finger picking but lead is a different kettle of fish I’m finding…

    Thanks again for sharing your time and knowledge and love of music with us all.
    Best regards,
    Craig

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Craig. The Lionheart has less mid range than Hiwatts and the Reeves that I’m using but the Vick has the 3-way mid switch that will compensate. I often use these settings on the amp: bright mode, drive mode, drive 1.5, drive volume as desired, bass 100%, mids 100%, treble off and tone off. This will provide a fairly dark tone but with a lot of mid range and low end. Try these settings on your Ram’s Head: gain 2 o’clock, tone 11 o’clock, volume 1.30 o’clock and the mid switch at either flat or boost. This should give you a start and make the needed adjustments for your room, guitar and taste.

      • Craig Richards says:

        Hi Bjorn, Thanks for your reply – I hope you had a good relaxing holiday!

        Sorry I was rambling a bit above there, I don’t have a Ram’s Head – I’m trying to figure out where to go next to get more tone variations and control.

        I only have one booster / overdrive which is the TOL and so I was thinking about either getting something like the Ram’s Head or Pig Hoof to use in tandem with the TOL, or if I might be better off looking to a compression pedal.

        Your CDs arrived today thankyou. I’ve only had a chance for a quick listen though Lullabies so far but some great tones and soundscapes on it.

        best regards,
        Craig

        • Bjorn says:

          Thank you, Craig! I would definitely consider the ’73 Ram’s Head. It will go nicely with your current set up.

  80. As always there is some great stuff here….I can get lost for days on your website. My question is have you ever tried the Fulltone OCD overdrive pedal? I had heard it would work well with my bedroom setup of an Orange Crush cr60 with the black strat setup, and it is a great pedal on any amp. The amp is a solid state, but it has very tube like qualities such as it is very sensitive to volume. I do have a POD HD500, and it has many overdrive and distortion models, but I am curious if I should go down the rabbit hole of pursuing actual pedals, or if it would be redundant. I also can’t demo the pedal in question because guitar center does not carry it. I would look to pair it up with a Vick Audio 73 Rams Head. Thanks.

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks for your kind words, Frank! Yes, the OCD is one of my favourites and I use it all the time. It’s very versatile and I often recommend it as an allround overdrive/distortion and as a pedal that sond great on pretty much any amp and setup. Well worth checking out and in any case, a fine adition to your Pod.

      • Frank Bizzoco says:

        Welcome, Bjorn. I am also looking at the skreddy p19 based on your review. It seems like a kind of “all in one” pedal minus the mistress and delay. My favorite tones of all are the 1977 Animals live tones. Even though I can only hear it on bootleg, there is just something about that guitar tone on Dogs, and Pigs especially that the Tele just cuts through your soul and there is nothing like it, or ever will be. So like you, I think the late 70s was some of Gilmour’s best lead work ever. Thanks again for bringing all this great info to the world, and saving us Gilmour-heads alot of time and money!

  81. Winston Smith says:

    Man- this article was an AMAZING conclusion to a lot the crap I’ve been learning about recently. It also made me look up Pedal Genie which seems both genius and dangerously addictive-

  82. Greg G. says:

    I’m really out of luck here. I honestly can’t tell which pedal is better for my amp and I don’t have the money to buy 2 pedals and try both. It is a Peavey Envoy solid state amp but I can’t tell where it stands mids wise.

    • Bjorn says:

      I think the amp offer a bit of both, with some mids scoop on the higher gain settings and a fairly mid rangy crunch and clean tone. Anyway, for a solid state amp I would go for something versatile like a Boss BD2, Fulltone OCD, Rat distortion etc. They always sound great and there are lots of clones out there and cheaper copies that are worth checking out, like the Mooers. You could also try some of the more demanding pedals like fuzz, Muff and vintage style overdrives but I don’t think will fit the amp as good as the others I’ve suggested.

  83. Ryan says:

    This website is really helpful. I’m currently playing with a Kemper and going through tons of profiles of amps in order to find tones I really like. Some amps stand well on their own, but I’d like to join the pedal game just for fun. I recently profiled my dad’s ’69 Fender Super Reverb with a e609 and it turned out great for clean, jangly, Strat playing. The tubescreamer really works well with it too. From this website, I understand why now so I really appreciate that, Bjorn.

    One amp sound that has caught my attention over the years is Warren Haynes Soldano sound. How would you classify that? I know he uses a Klon and I’m trying to figure out why those pair well.

    • Bjorn says:

      The Soldano SLO100 is based on the Fender Bassman and early Mesa/Boogie cirquits. That’s probably why it goes so well with the Klon, which compensates for some of the mid range and compression these amps lack in comparison with the more modern Marshalls.

  84. Joshua says:

    Nice post! Very useful insights. Thanks.
    I run a large beaver (triangle) into a mesa .50 caliber (EL84’s) with a Fender Strat Standard. If I understand it correctly, the amp should be characterised as scooped, correct? Theoretically I should boost the (higher?) mids to get more useful tone out of the beaver and preferably additional compression? Or should I back off a bit with the compression due to the gainy character of the amp? Reason I am asking, is that I have a hard time taming and shaping the beaver pedal. It is very smooth, but lacks bite and definition. It sounds too much like an all open fuzz. Should I take the time and convert the pedal to the Rams Head version? I have got a parametric eq pedal, I wonder if that could help? Thanks in advance for any advise you have. Kind regards, Joshua

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried a Muff with the .50 caliber but yes, it’s a Fender-ish scooped amp. I would be careful using compression with a Muff because although fairly open sounding (square wave), that much gain will sound choked if it’s compressed too much. You could try to boost the 400Hz and the 7k area to compensate some.

  85. TATA says:

    WHAT OVERDRIVE PEDAL FOR A FENDER VIBRO KING?

  86. Frank67 says:

    Fantastic article – summarizes nicely what one needs to know about guitar tone

  87. Thomas Solger says:

    Thanks for such a great article! This is my #1 go to site for help understanding my guitar, amp, and pedals (I’m new at the guitar and just learning).

  88. Thomas says:

    I have the chance to buy a Laney Cub 15 head or a Hughes & Kettner TubeMeister 18 but unsure of which one I should pull the trigger on…I am new to all this and get a bit confused with Mids Scooped/Boosted, Compressed/Uncompressed with the amps and pedals…Can you classify which is which for these amps? I would like to use my pedals that I have but willing to make adjustments if needed. I have a new bk butler, pro co Rat, and a nano big muff, and can use an Boss EQ as well. I seem to like the Laney Cub head sound the best…Any direction would be helpful – Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Thomas! I would say that both amps are fairly compressed and mid rangy. The Cub has a more vintage flavour, close to the early Marshalls with a hint of Vox and Hiwatt. Typically British. The H&K has a much more modern and pristine tone. The clean channel can get you close to a scooped uncompressed Fender and Vox but the drive channel sounds very much like a compressed mid rangy Marshall. For David’s stuff I would probably go for the Cub but the H&K is perhaps a more verstaile amp and definitely more relieable.

  89. Michael says:

    Bjorn,
    I just starter looking at Laney Lionheart amps. They look amazing and sound great on some of the you tube clips on the internet. You talked a little about them in your article. Do you mind expanding a little about these amps. Are they basically a combination of compressed amps and mid boosted amps with their clean tone and overdrive? (Fender clean and Marshall overdrive). I mainly play blues and a little of blues rock. I would love you to discuss them a little further if you don’t mind. what pedals would work with these amps best?Thanks for the great article! I learned a lot from it.

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m planning a bigger review and I’ve talked a lot about the amp on the site, so do a quick search. The clean channel is close to a Voc AC, although you got much more low end and a bit more mids. The gain channel is very close to the JTM/Bassman circuit. You can hear some of all of these amps but I would say that it’s a unique circuit and the fact that you go two channels, bright and normal and a 3-band EQ makes it much more versatile.

  90. Ari says:

    God, this is a really nice article u have made! Great!

  91. Jermund says:

    Hi Bjørn! Love this site with all your reviews, and a big fan of your music too.
    I have a question though. How do you think the Mojo Hand Colossus will match a Laney IRT Studio? I think the clean channel on the IRT Studio is pretty close to the Lionheart. I use it with a Laney 2×12 V30 cab, and only for home recording. :)

    Thanks!

  92. Ilya Soyfer says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Very enlightening article. I recently purchased a 68 Custom Princeton Reverb. It has a Celestion speaker and I read it has a little more mids than typical Fenders. So I’m wondering how a Big Muff would sound paired with this particular amp. Have you by chance tried this amp? I also have a min Tube Screamer that I can use to bump the mids even more if you think that would give me more of that smooth and creamy Big Muff sound.

    Thanks!

    • Bjorn says:

      It won’t sound as smooth and creamy as with a Hiwatt or Marshall but certainly more than a Twin. With the right amp settings and maybe a booster placed after the Muff for a bit of tone shaping, you should be able to get some nice tones. I’d go for a Sovtek-style Muff for the warmest and smoothest tones, like the Vick 1861 or Buffalo Patriot.

  93. Clément says:

    Hi Bjorn

    I just received my buffalo evolution (Nice pedal !) but…

    I also have the Effectrode PC-2A just behind, and the tube driver after. My amp is a laney cub head.
    I have set my amp like in your article “What is tone” (presence / tone 7.5, master volume 5, bass 4, middle 4, treble 2.5, gain / pre-volume 2)

    I find that the buffalo lacks “balls” and bass (even by increasing the bass of the amp).
    I would like to get most sounds from Rattle that lock live / In any tongue live.

    How do you set the amp with this pedal? For the front effectrode, I set Reduction and gain at noon. THANKS !

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi! The settings I’ve listed are meant as a starting point, so if needed, you should always make adjustments to match your room, guitar and pedals. If you lack low end, then turn up the bass and mids and perhaps lower the tone a bit. The Evolution does have less low end that a Muff, which is waht you want in a band setup but it might sound thin in a bedroom.

  94. Lim says:

    Bjorn,
    Great article as usual and this echoes what That Pedal Show guys Mick and Dan’s been saying. Two thumbs up.

  95. Carlos bRASIL says:

    Amplifierss, most of them, are expensive for many of us “just to make experiences”. That’s why, I think, electronic emulations (of amps, all sort of pedals and so on) are becoming more and more popular. Maybe some hardware like Kemper’s and Line 6’s Helix are expensive, they provide a wide variaty of resources if we compare to “physical” hardware (expensive amps, pedals etc.) when connected to a “clean input” of a non-valved amp (or even personal computer with a good sound card and good speakers).I know that what is mentioned here is “not for purists”, but most of us use some kind of “emulation gadged” (like Line 6’s Pods etc.) and software emulated effects… For me, the great advantage of a good pedalboard is the possibility of creating and saving patches for each of our favorite songs. Some like Helix also have 04 send-return entries for our favorite “physical pedals” (or pedal’s chains…). Best regards!

  96. Toby Harris says:

    Hi Bjorn,
    I was wondering what your thoughts are on the effectrode blackbird preamp.I was considering getting their tube drive,but for a small increase in price I could get the blackbird,which actually seems like it could could do pretty much the same thing and more.
    I’m using a custom shop 60s strat through a fender super champ xd.
    Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried it so I can’t really tell. It does look like, as you say, that it can cover the Tube Driver and more but again, I’m not the one to ask. I’d send a mail to Phil to get some insights.

  97. GurbZ says:

    Thanks Bjorn,

    This article gives me direction in search of tone. Recently I joined a band and noticed that my setup didn’t cut through the mix. (Sold my gear 5 yeas ago except guitar, started from scratch for this band again).

    For auditioning I used a recently acquired 100w solid state preamp/tube power amp, a Carlton high gain series II combo, with my Japanese strat/humbucker Bill Lawrence xl500.
    The clean channel was ok but the gain channel sounded thin in the band with another guitar player playing a EVH Wolfgang guitar, a Marshall JVM top/cabinet and a few boutique pedals, most noticeable an MXR modified overdrive with a bump/mid boost.

    I got the gig and had the combo retubed/bias fixed. While waiting at few weeks I needed an amp and stumbled upon a VOX AC100CPH head, I also acquired a TC electronics NOVA system. ( I needed some guitar gear)

    At second rehearsal I ran the VOX head through a londoncity 4×12 greenbacks cab (cab belongs to rehearsal room) and again I noticed a thin sounding gain channel. More noticeable is that the TC electronics nova drive cuts through the band in combination with the clean channel. The nova system overdrive emulates an tubescreamer I think.

    Recently I read that the VOX amp will behave differently when the master is set low and the channel volumes are set high, I gonna try that. The amp is damn loud but the rehearsal space is damn big so that’s a nice setting.

    Questions about the thin sound gain channel:

    – will a tubescreamer (mid boost) do the trick in combination with the lead channel (low gain setting tube screamer)?
    – is an eq more suitable between guitar and amp?
    – what are your thoughts in this case, can the guitar pickup be the culprit for a thin sound?

    After reading this article I am definitely gonna experiment with tube screamer tones. I opted for an alternative kind of sound because of the standard Marshall midrange honk but that just doesn’t seem practical. I’ m always open for an experiment or alternative sound though.

    Thanks in advance and best regards,

    Gurbz
    (your Gilmourish site rocks, keep it up!)

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Gurbz, sorry for my very late reply. This one got caught in the spam filter for some reason. You’ve probably figured it out by now but yes, the VOX will behave differently depending on how you’ve set the volume and EQ controls. Volume is also a key factor. The amp doesn’t have that much mid range and compression, so you need a bit of volume to get the tubes and speakers to create compression and by rolling off the treble, you’ll also get more mids. A Tube Screamer doesn’t have all that much low end but the mid range hump should make the amp sound bigger. In a band setup you don’t want that much low end anyway. You might also want to try the Folltone OCD, which has more gain and low end compared to the Tube Screamer.

      • GurbZ says:

        Thanks for your reply Bjorn.

        I figured a few things out after using an OCD klone and a tubescreamer klone. The AC-30 channel works best with the tubescreamer midhump. The gain channel works best with the OCD distortion, both channels are very usable now. The gain from the amp stays fizzy so it’s pedals for me.

        It’s quite a rig now: using an old BOSS ME-X (the one with three effect loops, filled with a treble booster, TS and distortion), a NUX midi switcher for switching channel VOX in the preset, run through a TC Nova system (midi switched and in pedal mode) to the VOX AC100CPH.

        Your article was spot on and gave the right direction, thanks again!

        best regards,

        GurbZ

  98. Hey Björn, amazing post. What pedals would you recommend to use on a JCM 900 clean channel as main overdrive/distortion box? Cheers!

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks! Sorry for the veeeeery late reply. This one ended up in the spam filter for some reason. You can go with pretty much anything but you might find taht mid rangy pedals like the TS, Rat, OCD etc might sound a bit too dark or “boxy”. It all depends on what tones you prefer but I’d probably go with something like a Boss BD or similar, which has a fairly transparent tone but a nice compression and a slight mids hump.

  99. Jimmy says:

    Hey Bjorn! I Have spent many a quiet hour at work trawling through your website and you have definitely played a major role in helping me to find my tone, so thank you! I can tell you that without articles such as this one I would have made many a mistake in gear purchases. I was lucky enough to receive a Vick 1861 civil war clone this Christmas and the thing is killer, if you haven’t already I would definitely recommend giving it a play. Maybe not as thick and creamy as the patriot but still pretty incredible.

  100. Javier says:

    Hi Bjorn ! play a Fender standard strat into a Vox ac4tv. Usually play in my bedroom. What do you think would be the best choice on drive pedal and a high gain pedal ? I’ve got a Boss blues driver and a Carl Martin fuzz but after reading your recommendations on amps-pedal relations article, maybe is not the best sound that I can get. I was thinking on a Ibanez ts9 or od808, Boss Sd1, ehx soul food, ocd, rat. Something like that. What d’you think ? Thanks a lot !.

    • Bjorn says:

      How does your current setup sound to your ears? My feature is not meant to cause doubt but to explain any issues you might have :) Fuzz pedals might not be the best choice for that amp although I think the BD2 would do a good job for overdrives. An OCD will cover much of what you want, I’m sure.

  101. bluestate says:

    Hello there, I just came across this article and I found it very helpful. In terms of your suggested amp/pedal pairings and specifically your suggestion not to use a Big Muff with a Fender amp, can’t the mids-scooped issue with this pairing be compensated for with the use of other pedals? I use a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue and on my pedal board I have (in order): MXR Dyna Comp > EHX Crayon > RAT > Nano Big Muff > EarthQuaker Tone Job. I generally leave the comp on all the time as a low compression/high volume boost and the Tone Job stays on as a mid boost. With the MXR and Tone Job can’t I compensate for any pairing issue with the Big Muff and the Fender? I haven’t noticed a problem with this setup yet but I’m also using the Big Muff as the “nastiest” of my 3 pedals on purpose. Now that I think of it though, when I set the MXR after the Big Muff I get an incredibly loud and powerful sound from my Big Muff. I pretty much a newbie at this so any suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks!

    • Bjorn says:

      Well, the important thing is always that you’re comfortable and happy with the tone you get. My point wasn’t that it’s not possible but some amps goes better with some pedals for certain tones. You are describing exactly waht you can do to compensate and the Deluxe is not the most scooped Fender either. To get that super smooth Muff tone you need a bit of compression and mids and you can either get that from the amp or from other pedals.

  102. Arya Boustani says:

    Hi Bjorn, I got a Jetter Gain Stage Red pedal about a week ago and put it to exercise through my Fender Strat / Gibson Les Paul, and Reeves Custom 50 with downstream with Vick Audio Overdrive (mild OD setup) or Boss DS-1 mod (distortion tone), or Butler Tube Driver (high OD setup). I have Demeter Compulator upstream of Jetter pedal. Really smooth yet rich and defined sound with low to medium gain coming from this unit is the ticket to all those that feel their amp or downstream overdrive is too bright, too in the face, too much attack, too thin, or even too choked with the neck pickup. This unit actually doesn’t compress audibly to loose the mid range definition and dynamics. It is pretty dynamic but it is smooth too. There is enough attack and clarity of attack that can be used stacked. It sounds like it turns the vintage low output single coil pickups to mid-boosted EMG character or even put it further toward a vintage low output humbucker while keeping the nuances of the single coil and some of the high frequency definitions, etc. It helps fatten up the low-mid frequencies of the bridge pickup while avoiding mudding up the sound with excessive lows of neck pickups. There is term used by Seymour Duncan called resonance frequency shift that they apply to their Pickup Booster pedal. So for single coil pickups the pickup booster pedal shifts the resonance frequency from high frequency more to the middle to get a thicker tone. I think Jetter Gain Stage Red perhaps has that sort of quality which helps to get the tone ready for a downstream high gain pedal like Butler Tube Driver. And as you know the neck pickup is always prone to choke with most of the high gain pedals. Well, putting Jetter GSR upstream of the high gain pedal makes the tone shape so you can still run it through the high gain pedal without choking using the neck pickup. So when you switch back and forth between the bridge and neck pickup, there is a difference in tone but not excessive difference as if you need to run to your EQ / OD / Amp to adjust things. Both can sound expressive, detailed, yet smooth. Highly recommended.

  103. Jesse says:

    I feel as though I am a bit late to the party but I’m still going to comment because I feel like what I am saying could be of help to some people. We can talk about pedal and amp combinations all day long, but the reality is that it takes work to set up pedals and amps, and eq them to find usable tones. Under certain situations I love the way a fuzz sounds into a Fender or Vox amp. That was basically the sound of the late sixties, especially on the west coast. Quicksilver Messenger Service, Canned Heat, and Funkadelic all used cranked fender amps and germanium fuzzes such as The Maestro, and the Mosrite Fuzzrite. I use a fuzzrite into a mostly clean music man hd150 (very similar to a twin) and it sounds great. However I didn’t just plug it in and find the tone I wanted. One thing that can really help is a compressor. Don’t resell your amp or effects just because you don’t instantly fall in love with them, and at the end of you should also consider if it is your ability rather than your gear.

    • Bjorn says:

      Very good points, Jesse. Obviously, this being a David Gilmour site, all my features and tips are based on his tones but it’s always a matter of what tones you want. There are no bad tones. It might not fit Gilmour but it would nail something different. And yes, spedning time learning the potential of the gear you have, is crucial for achieving the tones you want. Doesn’t matter what you have, whether its high end or cheap if you don’t know how to use it.

    • NEILL DODD says:

      Oh Jesse, this is so true. I have plenty of gear (too much?) that weren’t instant hits with me. In nearly every case I’ve gone through moments of sheer frustration and disappointment but with diligence and perseverance have found sweet spots for most things.

      It is so tempting to rush to mod something because you can always convince yourself that through the investment of your own time and money that there simply MUST be an improvement. It’s a fun hobby but usually you’re on a hiding to nothing.

      My Boss CS3 is an exception. I simply couldn’t live with the high noise level combined with a rather unusable sweep of sustain. I found a modding kit on ebay that saved the day and actually taught me a lot about those little sweet coloured components at the same time. Good post.

  104. noureddine says:

    Mr Bjorn
    please what overdrive i need to my fender strat vg and mesa dc5 with eq .i play just in my room. Thanks

  105. Hey there,

    Thank you for this post! I have just realized that I have been unconsciously mixing, swapping and getting along with my pedals and amps ‘the right way’ apparently! Let me elaborate:

    I used to have a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (but not anymore), and that amp screamed when it was paired with my Boss Overdrive (OD-3, mid-rangy pedal), and the same pedal didn’t do as well with Crate Palomino V16, Peavey Classic 30 and Marshall. Now I know why.

    On the other hand, I also have a DOD Preamp 250 and a Boss Blues Driver (BD-2) that really work well with these amps: Marshall, Crate, Peavey. I use overdrive mainly as a boost and the BD-2 works well with those amps, now I know why as well.

    You just clarified a lot of info in my mind that I can now actually make sense out of (if that makes any sense at all…) Great post! Thanks!

  106. David Joyner says:

    Hi, I found this article very helpful. I’m thinking of having two amps now. One for clean, delays, wah, whammy and compression. And the other for distortion, fuzz and solo sounds. And having a amp selector at the end of my chain. BUT, I would love to be pointed in the right direction and I’m very appreciative of your time.
    I have some high fuzz pedals and am looking for some tight, thick, creamy, in your face Zappa leads. I have a Red Muck, Afro Fuzz, Disnortion and Wampler Dual Fusion. I’ve had experience with that harsh sound from fender amps and they really are amazing clean amps. So, what amp do you think would work well with creamy tight fuzz/distortion pedals? Any insight is much appreciated.
    Thank you very much for you time,
    David

    • Bjorn says:

      Sorry for my very late reply, David. For the tones you describe, I’d go for either a Marshall (like the Silver Jubilee) or the Laney Lionheart. Both take fuzz pedals very well and will make them sound creamy and vintage. You might also want to check out the Peavey Classic 30. Fender amps sound harsh with fuzz, due to their lack of compression and mid range, so unless you really want that tone, it’s not the best way to go.

  107. Dave says:

    Hi Bjorn

    Thanks for this article (and the many others on this site), they’ve really helped me find my tone. I just wanted to ask if you could recommend something specific.

    I play in a blues/classic rock cover band and really love using fuzz pedals for solos – mine is a fulltone 69 with a tc electronic spark booster placed after it. I followed your advice and am using the fuzz with quite a mid-heavy amp and guitar (ampeg gvt15 and an epiphone dot) and it sounds utterly amazing, especially the hendrix, cream and floyd tunes we cover. However the problem is it doesnt work so well for other songs where im playing rhythm and need a more crisp attack (led zep and thin lizzy tunes for example). The 69 sounds awful whenever i’m palm-muting anything. I don’t like having too many pedals at my feet, so i was thinking of swapping out the spark booster with a more traditional overdrive pedal that i can use both on its own (with the gain turned up) and as a clean boost (gain turned down) when using the fuzz. Are there any specific pedals you can recommend for this? I was thinking of maybe an ehx soul food or a zvex box of rock. The alternative is to switch to a fender amp and use the fuzz with a tubescreamer type pedal, which would mean I’d also be able to get nice un-obtrusive, scooped clean tones when im playing rhythm, but im not too sure how well my fuzz would pair with such a pedal. Anyway I know thats a lot of questions but id be interested if there’s anything you can suggest.

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Dave! As you mention, your amp has a nice mids hump and a bit of compression, so since you seem to prefer the vintage tones, I’d go for a Powerbooster. It’s very transparent and need that mid rangy amp to sound smooth but it works nicely as a booster for both cleans and your fuzz, and you can turn up the gain for a glassy overdrive, much like Page, Beck and early Gilmour. The Vick Audio Overdriver is probably the closest to the original but check out the Buffalo FX Powerbooster as well, for a bit warmer tone.

  108. tomer says:

    Hi bjorn

    Thanks for the post, i really learnt a lot. I have a Fender Bassbreaker 007 amp (home use only). This series of ams is supposed to have the sound of early Fenders, which, if i’m correct, sound more like a Marshall. So, I’m confused, is it mids-scooped or boosted? I just bought a Boss sd 1 (before i read your post…) and it sounds a bit too mid rangey for me with that amp. Will a Rat go well with that amp?

    Thanks a lot !

    Tomer

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi! Well, Marshall copied Fender, so yeah, those early models sounds somewhat similar. They have more mids and compression compared to the later 60s and 70s range of Twins etc. The SD1 is similar to the Tueb Screamer, so you will get a lot of mids from it, which can sound boxy with your amp. The Rat is just the same. Both sounds great with a band, cutting through the mix, but a bit too overwhelming alone. You can compensate to some exent by rolling off the mids on your amp but you might also want to look into pedals with less mid range, if that’s what you want.

  109. Christopher says:

    Hello Bjorn and greetings from a greek Pink Floyd’s fan!I own a Laney Lionheart combo 20watt.The cleans are exactly as you wrote but i’m curious to know which fuzz pedal you recommend for an amplifier like mine.I want to capture that Gilmour tone like Dogs Solo but also i’m a big fan of Obscured by clouds Childhood’s end tone and similar.Unfortunately 3 months before i bought a Big muff Pi (the reissue),it works for Smashing Pumpkins style and tone but i’m not pleased in solos.

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Christopher! The Lionheart can handle pretty much anything. I usually use the gain channel for fuzz and Big Muffs. It adds a bit more mid range and compression. Try this: gain channel, bright on, bass 12:00, mids 100%, treble and tone off, gain 8:00 and volume as desired. It’s a fairly dark tone you’re getting but it will open up when you crank the volume. You can also try to raise the tone right under point 1. The Dunlop JH-F1 is probably your best choice for those Obscured/Pompeii/Dark Side tone. The AnalogMan BC109 is also excellent. Big Muffwise, I think the Buffalo FX M1 and Skreddy Rust Rod goes particularly well with the Lionheart.

  110. Jesse says:

    Great article. Two questions: where does a mesa boogie fit into the spectrum? It seems most modern metal type pedals are both compressed and mid scooped. Im also curious about the vox classification as being in the fender camp inspite of being british. The most well known example of treble booster is probably Brian May with the ac30. You mention it but put vox in the fender camp.

    • Bjorn says:

      The clasdic Mesa amps are similar to the Fenders, while some of the newer models has channels for more Marshall-ish tones as well. But the MK and Recitfier series are on the Fender side. Vox are somewhat in the middle but it doesn’t have a mids control and the tone is fairly scooped so they belong in the Fender category. Now, the thing about Vox is that if you roll back the treble and play as loud as Brian May, you can get some nice compression and mids, which makes them cut through like a Marshall or Hiwatt. But, in a bedroom situation, most Vox amps will sound very scooped.

  111. Thomas Hagemeijer says:

    Hi Bjorn, thanks, I will definitely check them out. Are these closer to david’s sound than the dr103’s?

    Also, what about the Hi-Gain, Max-Watt range? Have you checked them out? Are they capable of producing david’s tones? Basically I’m looking for an amp that is much like the classic Hiwatt sound like the Tube Series of Hiwatt but higher wattage.

    Thanks!

    Thomas

    • Bjorn says:

      The Hi-Gain and MaxWatt are more modern sounding with a Marshall-ish character. If you want THAT tone, check out the Hi-Tone or Reeves :)

  112. Russ says:

    Bjorn

    Great information on your site, I am learning huge amounts of useful information from you. I have a carvin v3m amp. What Category would you place these amps? Thanks again.

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks Russ! I haven’t tried that one yet but from the clips I’ve seen it seems to be in a Marshall-ish territory. Perhaps a bit more modern sounding, with a nice amount of mids and compression.

  113. Marcello c says:

    Hello Bjørn,

    I have now been playing` a Hiwatt T20 (Head+Cabinet with Fane 12” speaker) for about two weeks and I love the tone of this amp. It may not be in the same category as the Reeves or the old Hiwatts, but it is quite good (especially for the price). Obviously, I had to reset all the settings in my pedal board :-). Interestingly, while the tone of most of the pedals really improved (like, e.g. the Patriot and the Buffalo Power Booster which now really shine), both the Buffalo Evolution and the Wampler Plexi Drive did not. Actually, it seems that I now have problems in getting tones I like with these two pedals (but they are good with the Fender blues deluxe ). The Evolution sounds thin and fizzy and the Plexi Drive muddy and boxy. Do you have any suggestions? Here are my amp settings (Clean Channel); master volume 02 (0`clock); trebles: 02:30 mids 02:00; bass: 01:00 ; gain: 11:30. And here`s my guitar to pedal chain: Strat with Fender CS `69 and SD SSL-5>Boss Tuner> Boss CS2>DB Vibe Machine>Mooer Ninety Orange>Patriot>Buffalo Power Booster>Wampler Plexi Drive>Evolution>Mooer ElecLady>Boss CE2>Trex Reptile2>TC Nova Delay> Amp. And another question if I may: if I have to re-tube this amp, which tubes would you recommend?

    Cheers,

    Marcello

    PS: I really, really like “Disconnected”. Great album, great guitar playing, congratulations. Any visit to Stavanger in the near future?

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Marcello! Terribly sorry for my late reply. While both pedals have a lot of compression and mid range, which can sound a bit overwhelming on amsp like Hiwatt and Marshall, you should be able to dial in some great tones with both. Seems to me that you’re amp’s treble is set very high and the master as well. I’d try to roll back the treble a bit to around 10:00 maybe and set the master much lower than the channel volume. Try to find the right balance between a clean headroom and a warm and punchy tone.

  114. Thomas Hagemeijer says:

    hey Bjorn, thank you very much for the help so far with everything.

    I was wondering, I am looking for an amplifier that does a very good hiwatt imitation(or something similar, you know, with that classic british midshump tone), and I can’t really afford the best high end stuff. So I looked around a little and soon I saw the Laney GHR range, and it seemed decent. I was just wondering what you think of them judging by the videos of them online(assuming you haven’t tried one).

    And lets say after a while, I do can afford a dr103. Do the new ones have just as good of a quality both structurally and sonically as the vintage ones?

    Thank you very much!!

    Thomas

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Thomas! I haven’t tried the GHRs yet but from what I understand, they’re in that modern Marshall land. Hard to tell by just the videos but while they sound modern and somewhat pristine, they’ve got some of that JCM and even some Laney Supergroup. Typically British, with lots of compression and gain, although the headroom seems to be pretty nice. Quite a different amp compared to the Hiwatts, which has much more headroom and slightly less compression. The new DRs are very good but you might also want to look into some of the newer “clones”, like Reeves and Hi-Tone. These are based on the original schematics and specs.

  115. Patrick says:

    Hi Bjorn,
    Great article as usual.
    I play on a Gibson ES135 ,set with a pair of mini humbucker, on a valvestate marshall amp.
    I’d like to buy a stratocaster and a wampler euphoria overdrive, to play on my marshall.

    I read that I need a transparent overdrive (like the euphoria)
    is it the right combination ?

    Thanks
    Patrick

    • Bjorn says:

      I wouldn’t say that the Euphoria is entirely transparent. It can do cleans pretty well but the pedal is based on the old Dumble circuit, which has a lot of mid range and compression. I haven’t tried that pedal on a Marshall but I would think it’s better suited on Fender amps and other mids scooped amps, rather than a Marshall. But at always, it depends on what tones you want. I would perhaps go for something brighter, like a Buffalo TDX or Boss BD-2 (or clone).

      • Patrick says:

        Thank you for your reply,
        I try to walk in the Robben Ford and Larry Carlton territories.
        I ‘d like to find (now for years) this creamy, sweet ,non agressive overdrive.

        thanks
        Patrick

        • Bjorn says:

          I think Ford’s using a combination of several amps, including Fender Twins, which are very scooped and I assume he’s using that for cleans, and the legendary Dumble amps, which have lots of mid range and compression. I think he’s also mostly using humbucker guitars and pedalwise, if any, it’s very basic with a couple of boosters in teh Tube Screamer territory. So, the whole rig seems to be oriented around tubes, mid range and compression, which will give you that sliky smooth tone, with rich sustain without having to use that much gain or distortion.

  116. Arya Boustani says:

    Hi Bjorn, I just read a review for Fuzzrocious Feed Me pedal (please see below):

    http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/24536-fuzzrocious-feed-me-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PGN%20-%20083016&utm_term=PG%20Weekly

    It looks like it could be a good option for people that like to make their Fender mid-scooped tone more mid-rangy for fuzz kind of tone or simply taming the shrills and boominess prior to signal hitting the amp pre stage. If you think it’s worth trying it and giving it a review, I will be very eager to see how it performs in conjunction with other pedals and amps (especially giving more definition to alnico 5 neck pickups for overdriven tones).

    Cheers,
    Arya

  117. Daniel George says:

    So even though ive been following this page for years, I only just today ditched my fuzz, muffs, and ended my quest with a RAT. FINALLY I can actually dial in some reasonable distortion at a bedroom level. Still the tone is just…off…I have a vicks overdriver that sounds ok after, but at that point the background noise is almost too much to handle. Im using a bone stock Bugera V5, not the 1st choice for a gilmour tone I know, but I love the amp for everything else. Maybe an EQ is needed?

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Daniel! Are you using the Vick Overdriver to boost the Rat?

      • Daniel George says:

        Yes sir, Ive been tweaking it a bit more and can get it close, but the background noise is still fairly bad….im wondering if an isolated power supply would help. Im running almost no gain on the vicks, but I am able to increase the bass which is much needed with the amp/rat combo.

        • Bjorn says:

          Well, lots of gain and volume will increase the noise level and depending on the circuit of the pedal, some pedals will pick up more noise if they’re close to the source.

  118. Yaniv says:

    Hi Bjorn
    Great article. It take a lot of intelligence to make thinkg look simple, and you got it.
    I have h & k tubemeister 18. After reading this, i understood how to use the rat fuzz pedal, or ocd: on lead channel, simply roll off the mids eq to 9 o’clock, and the harsh sound is gone.

  119. Hassan Barhani says:

    Hi Bjorn, thanks for an awesome site! Which Distortion/overdrive/fuzz pedals would you recomend for a Matchless dc30 amp?

    • Bjorn says:

      I don’t have any experience with that amp, so I can’t really tell. It’s based on the Vox AC range, so I’d go for something with a bit more mid range than your typical Ram’s Head Muff or vintage fuzz. You’re probably best off with a Sovtek style Muff or a more modern sounding distortion, like the Buffalo FX Evolution or Arc Effects Soothsayer.

  120. Jean Hubert says:

    Hey Bjorn!

    Very helpful column!

    Still, there’s one thing that comes a bit in contradiction: what do you think about zakk wylde putting a SD-1 (almost like Ts 9, has a lot of mids) in front of his JCM 800 amp heads at the beginning of the 90’s!!!!????

    I’m asking because I know you’re a big Wylde Fan!

    Regards,

    Jean Hubert De Montmirail

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Jean! He still does that and it’s very much inspired by how Randy Rhoads would use a MXR Distortion + to crank his amps. Hendrix also did that with his fuzz pedals and Eddie Van Halen with the preamp in the Echoplex. It’s just a different approach compared to David’s setup. While these gues are using pedals to drive the front end of an already cranked amp for more gain, David’s using a clean amp and only pedals for his gain tones. He’s often boosting one pedal with a second, but it’s more for adding more character and tone, rather than volume and gain. Different approaches but the result is somewhat similar.

  121. Anestis says:

    Ηi Bjorn,

    Great article!
    I see that Vox AC30 is considered as a mid scooped amp.
    But it hasn’t bass range like fender, not even like Marshall and also the highs are not like fender.
    So I am a little bit confused.
    From what I have listen until now, from recordings of bands, like queen,radiohead,incubus,beatles etc I consider them to be mid boost amps but not on the same range with Marshall.
    They are in a lower range of the mids than Marshall are.
    So having in mind the way that you categorized the pedals
    what is the best category of pedals to look for those amps.
    Mid scooped, mid boost, something different or something between?

    Thank you!

    • Bjorn says:

      Well, AC30s are perhaps in their own category because although they are mids scooped, they can be manipulated to have lots of mid range. By playing loud, you will bring out that tube gain and compression, as well as speaker compression, which is how Brian May gets his tones. Also, you can roll back the bass and treble to give more room for the mid range. Although I would prefer mid rangy pedals with an AC30, they can handle pretty much anything, given the right settings.

  122. ethan says:

    Hey Bjorn!!

    Been looking at your amazing site for a while, extremely helpful!!!

    I am wondering if the Irig software can get David Gilmour tones, would love your opinion on the matter!!

  123. Jc dusse says:

    Thanks!
    Do you use the hi input or low input? Same input for your strats, Tele, and Les Pauls?

    Regards,
    Jc

    • Bjorn says:

      The high input for passive pickups and the low for active…

      • David Du says:

        can we use the two jack together?

        • Bjorn says:

          Depends on how they’re linked up to the channels but on a typical four input head, like the Hiwatts, you will get more presence by combining the upper normal and lower bright and plugging your guitar into the upper bright.

          • David Du says:

            got it! I will try it on my orange crush 30r, I was told, one of the guitar’s sound will weak, if I plug 2 guitars in low and high input.
            Thank you

            • David Du says:

              I just tried the 2 guitar into 2 jack, it sounds no difference, and can play together. but I may not do that again

  124. Mike says:

    Hi, Bjorn!

    First off, great article!

    In my case, I actually have a modeling amp for the bedroom, a Line 6 Spider IV 15W. I was hoping to ask if an OD pedal, maybe a BD2 or BD2W, and/or a Distortion Pedal, MXR ’78, would work with the amp.

    Appreciate very much the advice.

    Thanks!

    • Bjorn says:

      My experience with modelling and solid state amps is that they often sound better with pedals that aren’t too demanding. The BD2 should go nicely for overdrive and boost but as for distortion, I’d look into something in the Rat territory, like the Buffalo Evolution, Mooer Black Secret or similar. These have lots of mids and compression and will sound great on almost any amp.

  125. Tom says:

    Hey Bjorn, great article – really enlightening as to why my Dunlop mini Fuzz sounded amazing on my Orange Micro Terror, but sounded harsh and ugly on my Mesa. Just wondering, where would you place a Mesa Boogie Mark III (Red Stripe) Simul-Class on the scale of compression? I mostly use it on the 15W because I play small bars, and I keep the Volume around 7 with Master around 3. I’ve been toying with using my compressor post Fuzz with mixed results, it definitely smooths it out but gets noisy. I know status quo recommends comps before gain, but I’ve set up my rig based on Trey Anastasio’s, with the comp after TS9’s so guitar volume can control the grit level while keeping output volume relatively consistent, and it also reacts to picking more. As far as mids, the Mesa has a Mid control, but I usually keep it around 4 because i mostly use TS9’s for gain, and I just figured out thanks to your article that I can use the graphic EQ set in “reverse V” for mid boost and it totally changed the character of the Fuzz for the better. At this point I’m now wondering how I can fine tune the 5 band EQ to get closer to David’s Dark Side tones, any recommendations, especially in the low-mid/high-mid regions?

    • Bjorn says:

      It’s a very diverse amp, with setups for different tones. It’s definitely on the Fender side of the scale but with enough compression and mids to place it somehwere between a Twin and modern Marshall. Closer to the Bassman and JTMs but with slightly more mids and compression for a more modern flavour.

  126. John says:

    So what pedals go well with, say, Supro amps that don’t fall into either category really?

    • Bjorn says:

      They’re close to the Fender Bassman and Marshall JTMs. They have a nice amount of compression and a slight mids scoop but can handle most pedals very well.

  127. David Du says:

    hi, Bjorn
    I just had Dr.z Maz8, which is a class A tube amp, is it a Mids scooped and uncompressed amp? or amp like Marshall?
    Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      I’ve never played that model but from looking at the specs, I would assume that it’s closer to a Marshall and teh earlier models. Not overly middy, but certainly in the mid rangy and compressed end of the scale.

  128. Jc Dusse says:

    Hello M. Riis,

    Could you please tell me what settings you would use on the lionheart head ( L20H or L5 studio), in order to set the channels for:

    – Clean channel for that Bassman type of tones / Clean Gilmourish tones when he’s using fenders
    – Gain channel, but set clean or just about to break , for that early Marshall – Hiwatt 70’s tone, / i. e David using his Fuzz or Powerbooster or Muffs, Mid scooped pedals

    thank you!

    Jean Claude

    -

    • Bjorn says:

      I rarely use the clean channel. Find it a bit too Voxy… if that makes sense :) Here’s my main setting: drive channel, bright mode, drive a hair below 2, volume as desired, bass 6, middle 6, treble 3, tone either off or just a hair below 1, reverb off. Now, this is a basis for all my sounds. Kind of a JTM, only a tad darker. Depeding on your pickups and pedals, you might want the mids a bit higher but be careful with the treble and especially the tone.

  129. Luca Gregori says:

    Thank you Bjorn this is the best article I’ve ever read about this topic. This site helps me in many ways, keep it up!
    Cheers from Italy
    Luca

  130. Raphael says:

    I would really like well developed thoughts from you over the Peavey Bandit 112.

    These amps are unbelievably good for their price and often beat higher priced all-valve amps. The current model has have three different voicings and I think you would make a marvelous analysis of it.

  131. ThomasTang says:

    Very, very interesting reading. I never knew. It lookes like it’s not just chance that I have a TS808 and a OCD with my two paired amps Vox AC and Fender Tweed. I just all makes sense now 😀

  132. Nathan says:

    Hey Bjorn have you heard about boss re releasing th ce2 under their waza craft line of pedals? I’m sure it’s worth checking out.

  133. Matteo says:

    Thank you once again, Bjorn this was very enlightning as ever.
    rock on
    Matteo

  134. brendan says:

    Bjorn, do you have any input or opinion on using modeling software and audio interface to replicate tones?

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m working on a feature but in general I would say that it depends on what tones you want and for what purpose you need to use software or modelling units. None of them can do everything, so if you’re really keen on replicating a certain tone, you should look into pedals and an amp but for certain stuff, they can be great and some of the software in particular has come a long way and sound very impressive.

  135. Andrea from Milan says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Thank you very much for the time you invest in this project and for the outstanding quality of you job.
    I haven’t seen anything similar or comparable on the whole http://www…congratulations…I must be the benchmark for this kind of sites.

    I would like to ask you three different things in order to be closer to the dreamed Gilmour tone:

    1) do you think that I have to invest on another amplifier because mines are actually too far away from “the right” one or I can recover with some pedals? And which ones? => I have a fender twin (100 watt) and a JCM 900 combo 100 watt.

    Introduction to the following 2 questions:
    I use the following pedals:
    – boss CS-3
    – wha-wha vox
    – drybell vibe machine (thanks)
    – boss ch-1
    – nux drive core (sold as it where “a Chinese copy of the tube screamer”)
    – dunlop fuzz face
    – Marshall guv’nor

    2) which pedals do you think I have to keep with the Marshall and which with the fender ? ( probably none, but while the fuzz with the fender sounds very bad, with the marshall…)

    3) which pedals should I add to the two different amps if it is worth?

    Sorry for the questions, but…take them as a drill ;-D (for me are a dilemma)

    Bye!
    Andrea from Milan

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Andrea! Thank you so much for the kind words! Sorry for my very late reply. Your two amps are on the oposite end of each other the tone spectrum. The Twin being very scooped and uncompressed and the Marshall, very compressed, with lots of mids and less headroom. The Marshall is probably a better choice for David’s tones, as it will sound better with a wider range of overdrive and distortion pedals. Your biggest problem might be volume, since both amps are fairly loud. As I mention in the feature, the Twin require more mid range oriented pedals, like a Tube Screamer, OCD, Rat, Buffalo FX Evolution etc. The Marshall can handle pretty much anything but you need to be careful with the headroom.

  136. john wolff says:

    first off , i love your site , very cool and intersesting . i just wanted to add this and i thought here it would fit . mostly because of the plexi picture . i read a story once from Steve Vai . he said one day out of the blue , Eddie Van Halen just showed up at his door , so naturally steve invited eddie in . steve took ed down to his home studio and showed him around . of course steve asked ed if he wanted to try some stuff out and ed said yes . ed started jamming out real hard and blew steve away with perfect eddie van halen tone(which is legendary , just like the gilmour tone) on steves equipment . after ed finished steve said to ed , man you hit your sound (tone) perfectly on none of any gear you use or own . Steves conclusion to himself was its not the gear , its the player . true story . I write this because i completely agree with what you wrote in the very first line of your FREQUENCIES paragraph on this page “tone is a combination of many things , ‘most’ importantly your fingers” . hope its cool i shared this little story . thanks and keep on jamming and experimenting with cool gear and making sweet tones .

    • Bjorn says:

      Awesome story! True, tone is mainly coming from the mind and fingers of the guitarist. Gear and pedals are just icing on the cake. I think that a lot of people mistake tone for only being distortion, modulation and delay but it really doesn’t matter what gear you use if you don’t know how to use it. David’s using a lot of effects, but he always experiment and gear has never been in the way of his technique. As goes for Van Halen. He has a unique style and technique and the story you share explains perfectly that it will shine through no matter what.

  137. LittleBear says:

    Hello Bjorn,
    Your web site is really interesting and helfull
    I have a Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue for Amp
    and I want to tell you how I configure my pedalboard :
    Today the order of my set is :
    – MXR Dyna Comp
    – FullTone OCD
    – Wampler Velvet Fuzz
    – Wampler Tweed 57
    – MXR Phase 90
    – EHX Electric Mistress
    – MXR Analog Chorus
    – Boss DD2 Delay
    Is it correct or do I change the order of some pedals ?
    Thanks in advance for your answer
    Regards (from Toulouse in France !)

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks for the kind words! The chain looks fine. Only thing I’d change is that if you use the OCD as a booster, I’d place it after the Velvet.

      • LittleBear says:

        Thanks Bjorn for your quick response ;-)
        I forget in my configuration that I have also a MXR MC-401 Boost (placed at the end after the Boss DD2 Delay)
        Do I change the OCD or this Boost ?
        Thanks
        Regards

        • Bjorn says:

          Depends entirely on how you’re using it and what tones you want. Having a booster at the end of the chain can be great for leveling the signal and driving the front end of your amp but it can also decrease the headroom in your amp and make your delays bleed a little. Try different configurations and hear how that affects your tone :)

  138. Aaron says:

    Hi Bjorn, in Australia here – how do amps like Supros and Orange stack up when used with BigMuff’s and Germanium style fuzz’s? I”ve always have a VOX 125 Climax which is a dark sounding amp that has onboard EQ and never really had a problem with Muff and the ultra- high gain Roland AD-50 Double beat.. Cheers

    • Bjorn says:

      Never tried a Supro, although I would imagine it will work fine. Muffs and Orange amps goes nicely together but Orange, like Marshall, has much less headroom than a Hiwatt or Fender, so the Muff will sound slightly more aggressive and, depending on the amp, less smooth than on a Hiwatt.

  139. Alan says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Figured I’d get your opinion on the Marshall JTM1C as I absolutely love it. Whats your stance on it? If you’ve never tried it then thats fair but I have a sneaking suspicion you’ve tried a JTM series Marshall at some point!

    Alan

    • Bjorn says:

      I have :) Not a huge Marshall fan but I love the JTM amps. The 1C is a great practice and recording amp. Perhaps not that Gilmourish but it can handle pedals pretty well.

  140. Martin says:

    How do I tell if a particular amp, speaker, or pedal boosts mids, is flat/transparent, or has a scooped mids? For example, this post says that generally, Fender amps have a mids scooped tone and most Marshalls have a pronounced mid range – how do I tell if my particular Fender (I have a Tweed Blues Jr and a Hot Rod Deville 212) has the normal Fender scooped mids tone or a more Tweed like pronounce mids? Or my particular Marshall (VS100). Or any of my other amps (Pignose G40, Picovalve, …)? Or speakers (Vintage 30, Vintage Jensen C12q, stock speakers from amps…) Or pedals (too many)? Is there a trick I can use to evaluate this? Along the same line, how do I find where flat EQ is on an amp? For example, I have read that a normal Fender Tone Stack is not flat w everything at noon, but would be close to flat w Bass and Treble at 10:00 and Mids at 2:00.

    After reading advice online, I often can hear the difference when I play and it helps me better find/craft the sound I want. Over the years, I have accumulated many pedals and amps. I’d like to stop buying new shit (that’s a lie) and be able to use and evaluate the gear I have, so I can use your advice to mix them effectively.

    Thanks a ton. Great articles and webpage. Love it. Thank you

    • Bjorn says:

      Sorry for my very late reply, Martin. Amps and pedals have different voicings and the manufacturer often state whether it’s scooped or if it has a mids hump. It either says so or, it will say brown or British, meaning Marshall, which has a lot of mids and compression, or American, which is Fender, with a scooped tone and less compression. It’s also about experience and being able to tell what you hear. Mid range often make the cleans a bit harsh and gain sound smoother. It also depends on the amount of compression. Mid range will also add presence and make the tone cut through more. Alone, a mids boosted amp or pedal may sound a bit too boxy and overwhelming, while with a band, they will cut through effortlessly. A mids scooped amp or pedal, will often sound better and more pleasing to the ears alone, but it will often drown in a dense band setup.

  141. Rubén says:

    What about a Rockbox Boiling Point into a VOX AC15VR?
    I understand my amp is mids scooped, but…I wanted to give a try with the boiling point

  142. Thanks Bjorn,much appreciated!!

  143. Paul says:

    You say you wouldn’t pair three gain pedals, but in this article http://www.bjornriis.com/my-gear/effects/ your recording pedal board has a Ram’s Head, Evolution and Plexi-drive in succession. Any reason why? I have my own board set up this way, followed by a transparent booster (Buffalo FX). I get a small amount of buzz with each one, running one only–not too bad, really, but could be better I think. The Ram’s Head, however, sounds thin and under-powered, not sure why.

    • Bjorn says:

      On my current stage board, I have 5 gain pedals and a compressor but I never use more than two gains and a compressor at once. My point was that you should be careful with using them all at once. You can have 50 gain pedals on your board but if you use more than 2-3, you will get more noise, feedback and conflicting frequencies.

  144. Hello again Bjorn,this is quite a hot topic!!Thanks for your patient and excellent answers!!
    If you’re using a Big Muff>overdrive,(like a Throwback Overdrive),set up with Marshall and Hiwatt type amps,would you add a booster after the overdrive i.e.Big Muff>overdrive>booster?What booster would you recommend?Is the Boss BD-2 considered a booster,(as well as an overdrive)?

    • Bjorn says:

      I wouldn’t pair three gain pedals. Regardless of what amp you’re using. That would in most cases, cause a lot of noise and conflicting frequencies. Always start with setting up the amp for the best clean/crunch tone possible. Add a Muff or other high gain pedal and listen if you need any boost or compression. If you’re happy, then don’t add anything. If the tone is missing some smoothness or compression, then you might want to add a compressor in front or, a transparent booster after. Keep in mind though that the booster should be used carefully and mainly as an EQ, with subtle settings.

  145. Pablo says:

    Bjorn,
    Great article as always. This makes so much sense. I’ve heard it explained before, sort of. And, I’ve heard it. But, nobody’s ever explained it so clearly. Thanks so much.

  146. Carlos Rojas says:

    Nice article as usual. Where do you put the peavy classic 30? Mid scooped or mid boost?

  147. Bjorn, I use the pod hd500x so as you know I have a ton of options at my disposal. Have you ever used this system? I love it but 1 thing it doesn’t have is an electric mistress. What would a good alternative be? I can add on a real pedal but wanted to try if I could find something on the system 1st. Also, it does have a Leslie 145 which I do use quite a bit but was wondering where the best place was to put it in the signal chain. For some reason I’ve always put it last, even after the delay and reverb. Would it be better to place it last pre-amp or 1st post-amp or is where I have it where the best spot for most effective use?

  148. Actually,it was the late ’50’s Fender Bassman that was the inspiration for the early Marshalls.Check Tom Wheeler’s book “The Soul of Tone”.

  149. Patrick says:

    Good evening M. Riis.

    Your article was very interesting. I’d just like to share my opinion, and also ask for yours, regarding the category in which belong the early marshalls from the 60’s , like the JTM45.

    I have read many many times that they were the original inspiration for the Fender bassman. So the JTM 45 and Marshalls from the 60’s have the reputation to be midscooped amps like the fenders and Vox AC 30. Are you Ok with that?

    The pedal that makes Wampler, the Plexidrive, is a very transparent and Midscooped pedal, and it is supposed to be a JTM45 Clone.

    So, do you think it would be right to separate the early 60’s Marshalls, (midscooped), from the 70’s marshalls, Plexi, and Hiwatts (midsboosted) ?

    Sleep thight!

    Patrick

    • Bjorn says:

      To some extent. The later Marshalls are much closer to a Hiwatt, with more mids but they also have more compression and less headroom. True, the early JTMs are similar to the Bassman but these, including the Bassman, are not nearly as scooped as a Twin or AC30. They did have a nice amount of mids and much more compression and less headroom, which makes them go better with different pedals. The PlexiDrive has a noticeable hump in the upper mids and when you turn the tone past noon, you get some of that compression you got from the JTM.

  150. Hi,
    It’s me again, sorry for being so curious but your article was a revelation.

    I’m also considering the Laney Lionheart (L5 head).
    You say that the clean channel does a very good Fender/Vox pristine cleans kind of thing, while the drive channel sounds very much like an early Marshall Plexi, with creamy mids and a bit of compression.

    Do you mean that the Clean channel is midscooped (Like Vox / fender bassman ), and the overdriven channel mids-boosted?

    So, would it be possible to use the gain channel with the Mids scooped pedals, setting it as clean as possible to make it sound like a 70’s Marshall or Hiwatt…

    And to use the clean channel With Mid humped pedals like the RAT, Tubescreamer, or Marshall clones like Wampler Pinnacle or xotic Sl Drive, or Catalinbread DLS III)?

    Thank you so much again!!!

    Jean Claude

    • Bjorn says:

      Again, sorry for my late reply. Yes, the Lionheart is an extremely versatile amp. It’s like you describe, the clean is scooped, similar to a Vox but you can tweak it for something very similar to a Bassman. The drive has a noticeable mids hump, similar to a Marshall JTM or Plexi but with more distortion.

  151. Hello Bjorn,

    I was about to buy a Laney Cub Head for home playing.

    In a previous answer you say that Laney Cub “has a nice mids hump like a 70’s Marshall”. But in the Amps section, you’ve described it as “Typically British with a familiar 70s Hiwatt-ish character. Lots of headroom, scooped mids and a warm, smooth top”… , You have also written once: “The Rat goes nicely with the Cub. You might want to roll off the mids just a tad to avoid any “boxy” tones”.

    So I’m a bit lost….. once fitted with JJ electronics tubes, in which catergory will the Laney Cub head belong? Mids scooped or mids humped?

    I’m asking because I do have some mid hump pedals (RAT, Tube screamer, marshall clones like wampler pinnacle or Xotic Sl drive), and also the typical midscooped gilmour pedals (sunface, Pig Hoof, throbak Powerbooster…)….

    Will the amp take easily the two families of pedals, just by tweaking the Mids knob?

    Best regards an thank you for sharing your great knowledge!!!!

    Jean Claude, Paris

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi! Terribly sorry for my very late reply. I have no idea why I wrote mids scooped for the Cub. I’m updating the Buyer’s Gear Guides so maybe there was a bad copy paste going on… It has a noticeable mids presence, similar to an early Marshall and you can easily tweak it for tones similar to a Hiwatt as well, although the mids seem to be in the lower register. The Rat and other mids oriented pedals goes well with it but you might want to roll back the mids on the amp a tad. Sorry for that mix up.

  152. Kaden says:

    Hey Bjorn, I’m thinking about buying my first overdrive pedal, and wanted your opinion on which one I should get. I have a Blues Junior III, but my family doesn’t mind me playing loud. I guess since I have a Fender amp, I should buy something like a TS9 or an OCD, but I was thinking about getting the Tree of Life, and I don’t have hundreds of dollars to spend on multiple pedals, so I was also looking for something versatile that can act as a overdrive/distortion, and as a booster in the future. Is the Tree of Life capable of all that? Anyways, I love your website, and any advise you could give me would be much appreciated.

    Kaden

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Kaden! The Tree of Life is definitely a good choice. It’s got that compression and lots of mids, which is what you want for you Fender amp and Gilmour tones… and versatile tones in general. It can do pretty much anything from clean boost to warm overdrive and saturated distortion.

      • Kaden says:

        Thanks for replying! And also thank you for making this website, it’s taught me a lot about tone, effects and most of all, how to sound like the great David Gilmour! All the best from Canada.

        Kaden

  153. Christophe says:

    Hello Bjorn,

    Have you tried the New Peavey Classic 20 head (MH)?

    How close do you think it is to the Laney Lionheart L20 head or L5 head?

    Regards,

    christophe

    • Bjorn says:

      The Classic 20 is basically the Classic 30 is a small head packed with features for bedroom playing and recording. Very similar to the features on the Lionheart Studio 5. The Peavey has a nice headroom and creamy, compressed drive. Lots of mids and very easy with pedals. The Lionheart has a more vintage flavour and having two channels, you can go from a Vox AC30-ish clean to early Marshall creamy distortion on the gain channel. Both amps are great so it depends on what flavour you want :)

  154. Huy Tran says:

    Heyo Bjorn,

    Was wondering if your Toptone Shine boost was a treble booster or more of a clean booster with some mids closer to the TC spark booster?

    I recently found out about the Trouble Booster and my god it sounds good. It also sounds like an interesting pedal in that it interacts with your rig the same way a fuzz does. Has to be first in chain and all that. Does the Laney Lionheart need the upper mid ranges?

    I’ve just been reading about the treble booster and how the name is a bit of a misnomer in that it boosts the upper mids and presence (which has perceived treble increase)

    Most importantly, it helps you cut straight through the band mix Brian May style. What are your thoughts Bjorn?

    Thank you!

    • Bjorn says:

      The Shine Boost is bascially a transparent clean booster but you can flick a switch for adding a slight hump in the upper mids, much like a treble booster or, more accurately, how the Echo Plex pre-amp coloured your signal. The Lionheart’s drive channel, which I’m mainly using, has a lot of presence in the upper mids so I mainly use the Shine as a volume booster to boost the front end of a Tube Driver for more gain.

  155. pickpink says:

    Greetings Bjorn! I was working on Mother tone and found some use of Twin Reverb, I think. Pedal chain is muff > booster > echoplex > ce-1. I was after a chorusy lead tone instead of flanger/rotary variation. Could you please take a listen and tell me what is missing or what’s too much here maybe. Thanks a lot! https://soundcloud.com/gunners-dream/mother-extended-guitar-solo-cover

  156. Dimitris says:

    Although, in studio they might have done all sorts of things to manipulate their tones, from the first time I noticed a difference in Gilmour’s tone on Echoes and Time. I mean the solos, where as far as we know the FuzzFace, Echorec, Amp setup was used.
    On Echoes I understand the Hiwatt was used, while on Time a Fender Twin. To me they sound a bit different, the first a bit darker and rounder, while the second more edgy and harsh.
    What do you think?

    • Bjorn says:

      Yep, that would sum it up. The Hiwatt has lots of mid range and moderate compression, while the Twin has little mids and compression.

  157. Alfredo Martínez says:

    Dear Bjorn,

    After reading this article, which is very informative and a good guide there take cosideration always, I have new doubts about whether my effects and amplifier are properly chosen. Everything that I have now as effects and amp, I’ve bought following your guide equipment purchases. I have an amplifier Fender Blues Junior III, and my effects on distortion and overdrives are: Electronic Orange Pig Hoof, Vick Audio 73 Ram’s Head, Buffalo Fx Evolution, Wampler Plexi Drive, BK Buttler I Drive, and use a Fender American Standard with Seymour Duncan pickups SSL5. Until now I have not the opportunity to test my effects in another amplifier like Hiwatt, Laney, etc, but from what I can listen to and compare the sound with your videos, I can say that my sound is not bad, but can probably be better.

    My question is then focuses on whether both my effects and my Fender Blues Junior amp are right? I hope that if …. otherwise I’m in deep trouble ….. !!!!! Additionally, in this post you talk about the possibility to make some modifications to this amplifier, in this way considering my guitar and effects, what modifications could make in my amplifier, what kind of speakers and tubes you recommend me?

    Thank you very much for your time and for sharing your valuable knowledge.

    Alfredo.

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Alfredo! First of all, you need to decide whether your tone is good or bad. Do you miss anything? Do you feel that you got the tone you want? Don’t need to fix it if it ain’t broken. A Blues Jr works better with typically mids scooped pedals as it has less headroom and more mids than a Twin or similar. Still, it’s not as middy and compressed as a Hiwatt and Marshall.

  158. Rob says:

    To picky, to be sure.
    Been eyeing a Shine Boost for awhile. I’ve had good luck with a Dover Drive before the Muff. But maybe it could SOOOOUND BETTER!!! BETTER, BETTER, BETTER!! Lol. Finally got a TD. Mr. Butler installed an NOS 68′ Sylvania ECC82 in er that sounds killer. Having a TD, or quality clone, in the chain is absolutely key. Should’ve done it sooner. Grats in Air Bag. Very cool!

    Respectfully,
    Rob

  159. Sean says:

    Bjorn:

    This is one of the best articles I’ve ever read! Right up there with your “The Sounds of Rattle That Lock”. Thank you so much for all of your work!

    Sean

    PS

    In the past year I’ve picked up the Buffalo Patriot, BK Tube Driver, Vick Audio ’73 Ram’s Head & V-2, TC Electronic Nova Delay, and a buffer… all based on your articles & reviews. Hmmm, I think you have way too much influence over me! :-)

  160. Ernie Botelho says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    Fascinating article, and I love the site! I was wondering if you could elaborate on stacking overdrives with particular amps, as I am doing currently. I used to use mainly a fender 410 deville which I thought sounded great with my Tele and a TS9. However I hated it with my Led Paul. I bought a Carl Martin PlexiTone pedal to compensate until I was able to get my Marshall 1987x. The Marshall sounds beautiful with both guitars and the PlexiTone pedal still works beautifully in front of it (as I can rarely crank the amp into full break up) to get me a nice creamy overdrive tone. I assumed I would never need my tube screamer with this set up but while experimenting one day I found that stacking the tube screamer after the PlexiTone in the signal chain actually yielded a really nice sound with my Tele. It doesn’t do much for the Les Paul, but I almost always kick the tube screamer on with the PlexiTone whenever I use the Tele. I think (to my ears at least) it slightly resembles the tone on the opening leads to Coming Back To Life on the Pulse album. Does this make sense??? I did see that you compare the Tube Screamer to the Tube Driver for use in bedroom setups (if I’m not mistaken) and I’m now using the TS Mini in this role with even better results. Any thoughts on this would be wonderful.

    Thanks!
    Ernie

    • Ernie Botelho says:

      PS. I should also mention that I use a ClinchFX EP Pre in conjunction with my overdrive pedals so that adds another variable to the equation.

    • Bjorn says:

      Thank you, Ernie. Depends on what pickups you have, I guess. A Tele will need a bit more mids and that’s probably why you get a better tone using the TS9. Humbuckers has more mids and an overall hotter tone, so stacking two fairly middy pedals on top of that, might not be a good idea. But again, depends entirely on what types of single coils and humbuckers you use.

  161. Aidan says:

    Hello Bjorn,
    I recently read on your site that on his “Animals” pedal board Gilmour eventually had both a MXR Phase 90 and a Electro Harmonix Small Stone. I was wondering if you knew of any recordings (live or studio, although by what you’ve written I don’t think he ever used it the studio) where I can hear the Small Stone?
    Thanks,
    Aidan

    • Bjorn says:

      I’m not sure. He used the Phase 100 for Shine On and a couple of other songs during the very first dates on the Animals tour. There’s also a lot of phasing going on on the early Wall demos, but I can’t tell whether that’s a Phase 90 or Small Stone. Not a Phase 100 in any case.

  162. Thanks Bjorn,much appreciated!!
    P.S.Does a volume pedal do the same thing as a master volume control?Can one get similar tones at lower volume using a volume pedal?

    • Bjorn says:

      Depends on the placement. If you place it last, or before the delays, it will act as a master for the effected signal. If you place it first in the chain, it will attenuate the signal from your guitar and you can adjust the amount of gain coming from your pedals. Not quite the same as using an attenuator on your amp but similar if you’re mostly using pedals.

  163. Paul rivans says:

    Bjorn, your article is brilliant and very well explained. The way you have analysed the permutation of pedals resonates with my problem I have had over the last three years and consequently led to me selling quite a number of pedals due to the fact I just wasn’t getting that tone I so longed for in fact I sold my new fender deville my Marshall jvm combo.
    Playing blues mainly with styles from the 60’s and current like bonamassa, it was difficult to get the sounds I wanted. I have a fender strat, and Gibson Les Paul and your article really described all the experiences I went through, very frustrating to say the least. But by chance this is what I found has eventually worked.
    I bought a Hughes & kettner grandmeister 36 with a matched speaker cab with 2 x 12 celestion vintages.
    This was my biggest discovery, the mids that the amp and cab pushed out were awesome, then I switched the jvm combo to the h&s cab and wow what a difference even though the jvm had a vintage & heritage celestions in it.
    So I sold the fender and jvm combo, and bought a Marshall jvm head and that’s my backup amp.
    But now have the h&k with the vintage celestions and use an ocd and boss ds1x which I use for a subtle edge for when using my strat.
    So I now found my holy grail, if only I had read your article a year or two sooner, but to be fair I found this new generation of Hughes and kettner amps to be quite special.
    I had an AS64 when they came out and it lasted 20 yrs of great sounds then a switchblade also very good but the grandmeister takes it to a new level.
    Gary Moore smooths, bonamassa , robert cray, several, got them all.
    What’s your thoughts on the h&k.
    Brilliant article many thanks, I can now your wisdom with others in my community.
    Regards
    Paul

  164. Hello Bjorn,
    What do you think of the modern Hiwatts,particularly the Custom 20 2×10?
    How do they compare with the Highlight era models?
    Regards,
    Michel Giroux

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tested them enough. You’d need to do a proper A/B test. The thing with the old amps is that they will sound different since they’ve been properly “broken in” and aging even does something to the tone. Both have mostly the same parts, so if you fit them with new, identical tubes and use the same speaker cab, then it would be down to the actual tone of the amp. People will always say that the original and old stuff is better, for whatever reason. The new Hi-Tone amps are supposed to be as close to the original Hiwatts as you can get so I think those would be your best choise. Or the Reeves.

      • KEITH says:

        Here’s 6 cents! If you put a set of NOS Mullards in a Reeves, you’ve got a late ’60’s -early ’70’s Hiwatt. Until recently Bill’s amps were the closest you could get because of the reverse engineered trannys. Musicground was making crap, but seems to have decided to put the Dave Reeves back in their amps recently,. Reeves son also got together with Mark Huss the HiWatt historian, and make HeyWatts. All are great amps, and the country you live in is about the biggest difference, although I sincerely believe you can’t get closer to Dave Reeves era amos than Bill Jansen’s Reeves amps. A local Sam Ash had a ’73 DR 103 in for sale, and I did AB it with my Custom 50PS, and the only difference was of course the volume, and the ’73 was a tad warmer, but I put this to the NOS Mullards, and a well broken in 40 year old amp. I almost bought it, but someone had broken the ohms switch, and I think the cord plug, and they were still asking too much for basically what I’d get with a tube change. All great amps, but if you’re in the US, Reeves is the way to go unless names matyer to you

        Peace, KEITH

        PS. The reason I say the country matters is due to what a new HiWatt from the UK costs in the US, so prices vary greatly, and they’re basically identical. However, you will NEVER find any company that has better customer service than Reeves!!!

        • KEITH says:

          I made a faux pas in that last post, I said Hey Watt, I mrant Hi-Tone as the amps produced by Reeve’s son, and Mark Huss. So much information crammed into such an old, and full brain,( or lack thereof). Please forgive! But, I hear Hey Watts are nice too!
          Peace, KEITH

      • Thanks Bjorn.
        The Reeves and Hi-Tones are quite expensive,(they have to be ordered from the US),in Canada because of the strength of the US dollar relative to the Canadian dollar.There are UK made original David Reeves Hiwatts as well as modern ones,(Music Ground),available however,they’re few and far in between not to mention expensive.

  165. Rob says:

    Your right on Keith,
    I don’t do any Who or Tull tunes, but with a minimal amount of eq tinkering, BAM!!! Gilmour like I’ve never had it before! I get so caught up in the tone, I find myself off on tangents, and forgetting what I’m trying to nail. Just sucks up any Muff I throw at her! Not an easy task. If I could take the front end of my Maz 38 NR and put it in the Custom 50 PS…….tonal bliss! Incredible amp!

    • KEITH says:

      HEY Rob, Is your Maz the one with the eq bypass, and if so is that why you’d like the pre in the Reeves, or could it be the valve rectifier, instead of solid state? Just curipus, as I’ve played a lot of amps, but never had the chance to try a Dr. Z, but hear great things about them! And you’re right about Bill’s current PS amps, they’ll take anything you throw at them, or they sound great all by their lonesome if you can find a good place to crank’er up!
      Keep Rockin’, KEITH

  166. KEITH says:

    Wow, a lot of replies to this article, and I’m very happy for that. This is a subject that while you’ve incorporated the basics in many articles, and reviews, this dedicated article gives those who didn’t know these basic frequency issues a great bit of information, in layman’s terms that are clear, and easily understood! Once again you’ve hit the proverbial “Nail on the head.”, and thus the rapid 60 replies which I’ll now read every word of. You have a great sense of the subtle, yet very necessary skills of the ear, and the gear, and as one of the old hacks, I wish I hadn’t had to learn these things on my own, trial, and error! I wish there had been a ” Gilmourish” when I was a youngc16 year old aspiring rock God, I would have progressed much faster. I have now been playing seriously for 38 years, yet still learn something every time I open this page!!!! To all you aspiring Gilmours out there, listen closely to Bjorn, you are lucky to havebsuch a fine tutor, and for free. Keep up your fine, selfless work Bjorn, you know how much I appreciate your opinions, and knowledge, and your friendship more than anything.

    To Bjorn, and the Gilmourish community, I send my Love, and best regards for your continued journey down the road that is music, whether pro, or hobbyist, you can gain so much knowledge from this priceless, PRICELESS, site!
    Peace, KEITH :)

    • Bjorn says:

      Thank you Keith :)

      • KEITH says:

        Thank YOU! I see you’re doing the midnight replies. I hope that Patrick reads my take on the PS, there are many misconceptions about what it really does. The best use I’ve found doesn’t make it quiet enough as a clean high headroom pedal base for bedroom use, but if you want to slightly cut the volume, and get the amp to breakup on it’s own, it’s a great thing to use. Hat’s 4 cents now I guess, Ha Ha!!

        Peace Y’all

  167. Tyler says:

    Bjorn, you say in your Amp Buyer’s Guide that the Fender Blues Junior is a good amp that can handle fuzz. Is that true? Being a smaller amp with less headroom, will it compress properly to take a fuzz, or will it sound harsh and hollow?

    • Bjorn says:

      It doesn’t sound as smooth with a fuzz as say a Marshall or Hiwatt but it works pretty well. Germanium fuzz seemed to sound better than silicon though. The Blues Jr doesn’t have as much headroom as some of the other Fender amps and there’s a bit more mids as well. There are a couple of popular mods available, for more mids. Replacing tubes and speaker can also do wonders.

  168. Emi says:

    Hi Bjorn! I just bought the Laney CUB12r combo because of your recommendation. It sounds good! Now I want to try it at full volume!
    One question, I want a distortion pedal, I want to go to the Proco RATS 2.
    Is it a good combination with the Laney CUB12r? Do you know it is a difference between the Proco RATS and RATS 2? Which will better for the Cub?

    Thanks Bjorn!! Slowly, I’m starting to build the Gilmour’s sound because of you and this excelente site. Great work! and thank you for share it!
    A big hug from Argentina!

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks for your kind words! The Rat goes nicely with the Cub. You might want to roll off the mids just a tad to avoid any “boxy” tones. You might also want to check out some of the Rat clones or similar sounding pedals, like the Arc Effects Soothsayer or Buffalo FX Evolution. These have a bit more low end and an overall more open sounding character. Still, the classic Rat is great too. The Rat2 has a bit more gain. Otherwise, they’re very similar.

      • Emi says:

        Thank you for your answer Bjorn! Here it’s little difficult to get some pedals. Anyway, I just bought the Rat 2, Incredible sounding! I’m really happy with it. Maybe in the future I can mod it like the Arc Effects Soothsayer pedal.
        Greetings!!

      • KEITH says:

        I may be wrong, but I think the later ,Rat 2’s,cand other Rats have a different chip. Don’t shoot me if I’m wrong, but one of my favorite local guitarists was using the first Rat I ever saw back in the 80s? And he said not to buy the Rat 2, that in his opinion, it was a totally inferior pedal.

        Keith

        • Bjorn says:

          The newer Rat’s doesn’t have the LM308 chip as far as I know. The Mooer, and most other clones, does however.

          • KEITH says:

            Thought that was the case, and the difference between the LM308, and the current chip is like the difference between NKT-275’s, and the transistors in a regular old Dunlap Ge Fuzz Face. I have a mooer with the LM308 on order! And a bit off tppic, but DG used an HM2 Boss Metalizer, which when introduced as HM-1 was called the Heavy Metal pedal, and if you can find an HM-1, it is the best amp like distortion I’ve ever used, and the only pedal I’ve ever used on stage, and was playing through a JC 120! One of the best soundimg clean amps I’ve owned, and even though it’s solid State, the HM -1 made my drive tone sound like a pair of cranked Marshalls, with great stereo separation from the great Chorus the 1980’s JC’s had. Having a separate transformer for each speaker, it was easy to have the amp modded so the ext. Cab output was right, and the two speakers in the amp were left, so that I had that separation with the amp on my side, and the other 2×12 on the other side of the stage. It was an incredible sounding rig, and with the HM-1, it went from Al DiMiola to Living Colour in a single click! Sorry, bored and waxing nostalgic!

            Haha :) KEITH

            • Bjorn says:

              HM1? Did they actually make that? I’ve only seen the HM2 and HM3. David used the HM2 during the About Face and Momentary era and a MZ1 was featured in the Pulse rig…

  169. Mariano says:

    hi Bjorn, what do you think of a Laney Lionheart paired with a BK Butler tube driver? will it make the sweet spot of that classic Division bell sound?
    What about the Laney with a Muff?
    Is there an amp that will handle both? Muff + BK Tube Driver?
    Thanks

    • Bjorn says:

      I think so. I’m using the Lionheart L20 for most of my tones these days, including all the reviews I make for this site, and it can handle all pedals very well.

  170. Huy Tran says:

    Hi Bjorn,

    You are a great fella. You write such a good self help guide and you still take so much time answering questions that is already explained in the article.. You are a far more patient man than I.

    If you ever feel like you are too busy you can always post the questions and ask for other’s inputs. Which you already know and have done before.

    Thanks for continually updating the site. I’m a fairly recent fan (started following the site and you, as an individual away from Gilmour, on Bjornriis.com in 2011) and it has been quite a journey.

    I also love the promo band photo for Disconnected. That grimace!!

  171. Bernie Heerey says:

    Hi Bjorn – no questions this time, just wanted to say its great that you cam make such an apparently complex subject become clearer. Its enabled me to find what I am looking for tone wise through understanding, more fully, the effects the various elements of a set up ( guitar amp etc) will have. those pedal show videos are excellent too.. Thanks again.

  172. jaden says:

    MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE TONES ARE MIKE MCCREADY FROM PEARL JAM CIRCA 2000-2003 TOURING BAND AND MSG DVDS, ITS BASICALLY PLEXI STRAT CRYBABY DM3 AND TS9 AND ITS REALLY DARK AND SOUNDS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, DRY AVERAGE GUITAR TONES LIKE THOSE YOUTUBE VIDEOS THEY SAY SOUND LIKE HENDRIX ECT THAT SOUND NOTHING LIKE THEM ARE USELESS, I DONT CARE IF I GET A GUITAR TONE THAT IS TOO GOOD AND DRIVES PEOPLE CRAZY I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE POINT

  173. Robert Hackett says:

    I run a Reeves C-50 PS. Jump upper normal to lower bright. Feel all my eq is dialed in pretty good. I have all, and I mean all, lol, the Muffs you rate highly, all the correct mods, and delays. My biggest issue is finding a pedal combination that works for anything from DSoTM to The Wall. If I do enough switching this, switching that, using eq pedal, not using eq pedal, yada yada, I can always get what I want. At least for home. Just can’t find a combo that works for the works. Maybe just asking to much, or to OCD about perfect tone for each tune.
    Any thoughts Jedi Master?

    • Bjorn says:

      Hi Robert! Sorry for my veeeeery late reply. Depends on how picky you are doesn’t it? David’s using a wide range of pedals on the current tour, to replicate his old tones but obviously, not all the songs gets the full authentic treatment. The Tube Driver and a Muff seems to be replacing most of his old boosters and fuzz pedals. You could do something similar but I don’t think there’s any way around it if you want THE tones… I rarely do Gilmour tones anymore but for my own stuff, I’m currently using a Buffalo TDX (Tube Driver clone) for most of the overdrive and milder solo stuff. In front of it, I have a TopTone Shine Boost set for max boost and mids hump and I engage it for more dirt and presence. Having it in front of the TDX works similar to driving the front end of an amp. I also use that booster with a Muff but now it’s placed after the Muff. For bright vintage tones, I use the Muff alone but for more saturated and smoother tones, I engage the booster. That’s three pedals and a wide range of tones :)

  174. Excellent article Bjorn,very clear.You’re laying down a solid foundation here.

    Now,to what extent,if any, would the use of a compression pedal such as the MXR Dynacomp or the Boss CS-3,improve the mids of Fender amps,(particularly the vintage re-issues,Twin Reverb,Super Reverb,Deluxe Reverb,Princeton Reverb and Bassman),and make Fuzz,Big Muff and overdrive pedals,(like the Throback Overdrive Boost),sound like they do with a high mids amp like Hiwatts?

    • Bjorn says:

      I don’t think it would make much of a difference. A compressor, compressing the lows and highs, will bring out more of the mids but you’ll also be creating more headroom, which is not what you want. It really comes down to how these amps are voiced and the frequency of their mid range.

  175. Ben Ferwerda says:

    Hi Bjorn!

    Right now I have a Fender HRD. Its a USA 90’s model with the original Eminence Legend 125 speaker in it. It makes my TD-X sound like total garbage, almost like a really bad synth lead tone from a Yamaha keyboard, but like a really cheap Yamaha keyboard! It’s smooth and sustaining but sounds very fake if that makes any sense. I’m considering a new amp because I’d really like to be able to use a fuzz and Powerbooster, and definitely a rams head big muff. My question is, is a Laney Lionheart L5 or L20 going to have the mids hump that is needed for those pedals? Also, I don’t have any music shops that stock Laney stuff. In your opinion, does the Laney L5 have enough headroom to handle a venue about 4,000 square feet? I play with an amp mic’d on stage and use the amp as a monitor. I think one of the reasons my Fender sounds so bad is because I have to keep the volume on about 1 since it is too loud for the room. Thanks for the awesome article!

    • Bjorn says:

      The HRD, although not entirely mids scooped, isn’t the best option for the typically mids scooped pedals. The fact that it’s very loud, with a lot of headroom (or lack of compression) also makes these pedals sound thin and fizzy. The L5 is loud but perhaps not loud enough if you rely on it being a monitor. I’d go with the L20 and use the gain channel with the pedals. Set it as clean as possible – there’s enough headroom there – and you got a nice early Marshall. I’m using the L20 as my main stage amp and for all the reviews I’ve done lately and it sounds really great.

  176. Patrick says:

    Great feature, Bjorn!

    I’ve been meaning to ask about your Reeves amp. I wanted to get your opinion on it’s power-scaling feature? (if you’ve used it) Does it work well? Is there a noticeable tone suck/loss when it’s in use? Would you say it’s better for the tone than an attenuator?

    (I ask because I’m thinking of getting a power-scaling kit from the same place that does the Reeves amps, then getting a local amp builder to install it for me – rather than an attenuator, which I gather can wear out an amp’s tubes pretty quickly)

    Thanks very much for your time.
    Patrick

    • Bjorn says:

      Mine is without any PS. I’ve never tried their PS but from what I’ve read, it doesn’t affect the tone in any way. My opinion about PS or attenuators is that they’re great if you want to use the drive from the amp. If you’re running the amp clean and use pedals for dirt, then they’re sort of redundant as you can lower the master for the same result. A lot of people get the PS feature and scratch their head since it doesn’t do anything but they’re also running the amp clean.

      • Patrick says:

        Oh sorry, I assumed the amp came with them standard. Thanks for sharing your knowledge anyway. I’m planning to run the amp just before the point of breakup, which is unfortunately still too loud for home (but perfect for gigs).

        Cheers.

        • Bjorn says:

          Maybe they do now. Mine didn’t and I didn’t need it either. PS might be a good idea if you want that slight breakup.

      • Gerard Smulevich says:

        Bjorn:o

        I just bought a Reeves Custom 12 with PS, running it through a cab with an 80s Fane classic 50w 12. I agree that running the amp in master volume mode the PS is redundant, but in order to play late at night at “point of breakup” as you suggest in order to get the od to od, the PS turned down 50%really helps keep the same tone/breakup at a lower volume. I’m also using a Mojohand Iron Bell instead of a muff and that also helps keep it sustaining even at that reduced volume. I’m still experimenting.

      • KEITH says:

        Well, since I went for the PS, I’ll add my 2 cents. I’ve noticed no tone sucking, or even the slightest change in my base eq when using the PS. Attenuators are inherently bad for tubes, and transformers, whereas the PS actually extends tube life by simply conyrolling the voltage, instead of cutting the output between the amp, and speakers. I’m no tech, but from what I understand, attenuation causes the amp to still put out the same amoumt of output voltage, which has nowhere to go but back into the amp. They say the device “soaks” the extra power, and they are sometimes called “Power Soaks, but they don’t siak all the excess, and that goes back to the trannys, and tubes, and I’ve witnessed catastrophic amplfier damage from those. The PS is not known to do anything but change the voltage at the tubes, and isn’t for everyone, but should you want a Hiwatt sound, perfectly recreating a 70’s Hiwatt, and have it able to emulate the 4 preamp Who model Hiwatt as well, then the OS does both PERFECTLY!! I can dial in my Gilmour tones, running without the PS, and get his tones very well, but a little boost of the pres, a lityle eq change, and some PS, and the DR 103, ( don’t remember the model # of the 50 watts), beomes a CP 103 instanly, ehich is the amp Townshend used at Leeds, my favorite of his tones. So in conclusion, the PS gives you two iconic Hiwatts in one head, and if you are a Who, or Jethro Tull fan, then I can’t think of a better amp than the Custom 50PS! Look on Youtube for Live at Leeds tone with Reeves custom PS, and you can hear for yourself. Sorry so long, but the PS is definitely a plus if you want more versatility!
        Peace, KEITH

  177. DavidGilnot says:

    If you don’t mind Bjorn, I’d like to share this article on the Harley Benton forum, with full credit given to you and a link to your site. It’s one of the clearest explanations I’ve read of what we are all trying to achieve but can’t work out what’s going wrong. The YouTube video link that onother commenter put up was good too but I couldn’t help thinking on that, ‘get up and change a few settings on the Big Muff and the Twin’.

    Rest assured I’m forever poking people who say they can’t find anything they like to listen to any more to give Airbag and particularly your solo album a try. It’s prog rock for those who don’t want incessant key changes, meaningless time signature alterations and fretboard twiddling. (You know who you are!!).

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks! Glad you liked the feature (and our music :)). Please feel free to share. I’d appreciate the link to my site :)

  178. Brad Roller says:

    Bjorn this is by far my favorite article of yours! Very informative as usually but I really dig how in depth you got on midrange and what it does. Sent the article to a buddy of mine that’s indecisive of which amp to use. He can’t seem to find tone he needs. And what pedals to match with what amp. This probably helped him big time. I really look forward to more articles like this. I just wanna say thank you again for all you do man. You’re a great friend and great listener! I don’t know where I’d be without you man. Looking forward to the new airbag album!

  179. Emi says:

    Great article Bjorn! as always!
    So.. if I have a Laney Cub 12r, Can i go to Big Muff?
    What about a Laney Cub 12r with Boss BD-2 Blues Driver (similar to Tube Screamer)? Thanks!! =)

    • Bjorn says:

      Yes, the Cub goes well with most Big Muffs. In a bedroom setup, where you probably need to keep the volume down, I recommend a Sovtek style Muff to compensate for the lack of lows and compression in your amp due to the low volume. The BD2 goes nicely too… It’s very different from the Tube Screamer though.

  180. Will says:

    I can’t see the video, would you mind posting it again?

  181. pickpink says:

    Thank you, Bjorn! Very useful post. I don’t have the luxury of buying high-end pedals, so posts like these, where you talk about sound shaping, help a lot with understanding how things work (in Gilmourish sense). Bjorn, I know you don’t usually do this, but could you please take time to review this new plugin? It’s the first software emulation of Binson Echorec unit. It features 4x oversampling, so I guess it’s not rubbish. 30-day fully functional trial is available on the page. Thanks! http://emptyroomsystems.com/ers-echorek2-delay.html

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks for your kind words, Brad. Gear and the quality of it certainly plays a part in a good tone but I think it’s far more important to know how to use the gear you have or are going to get. A budget rig can sound so much better than a high end one, if you just know how to tweak it and what not to do. Besides, budget gear has come a long way lately and I’m definitely not ashamed of using stuff like Mooer.
      Thanks for the link. Looks interesting but I can only see a PC version and I’m using Mac and Logic…

  182. Paul says:

    How can I tell if a pedal is mid scooped or boosted? I’m struggling to get a great blues tone on my Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue — maybe just strat > TS808HW > amp? I also have a Tychobrahe Octavia, but it sounds like crap.

    • Bjorn says:

      The description of the pedal should say something about how it’s voiced. Tube Screamer style pedals has lots of mids. So does most pedals either named or associated with blues. The tone should be full, warm and smooth. A scooped pedal sound brighter, more crispy and you should recognise the emphasis on the lows and highs. Your TS808 has lots of mids and should go nicely with your amp. You might also want to look into similar pedals like the Fulltone OCD and Vick Audio Tree of Life, which has a bit more low end. The Tychobrahe is very scooped, so no wonder it doesn’t work that well with your amp.

  183. Ed says:

    Thanks, Bjorn. I play through a Peavey delta blues 210 with El84 ‘s. Does it’s eq fall somewhere between Fender and Marshall?
    Thanks for everything,
    Ed

    • Bjorn says:

      That amp has a lot of low mids right? I might be mistaken but I seem to remember that. Should make a nice basis for most pedals.

  184. Toni says:

    Hi Björn,
    Great article, as usual.
    Have you got any experience with Mesa Boogie Mark V? How would you classify this amp? Your viewpoint is always welcome. Thanks!

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t played that amp myself but it’s got options for several different tones and models right? The overall tone of the Mark series has quite a lot of mids. Personally I fond a bit too throaty and the mids can be a bit piercing but you can easily dial in some EQ settings that’s more neutral.

  185. Ray says:

    Wow, thanks for the great info! I am addicted to this site! I buy a new pedal almost every month, my wife hates you… ;)

  186. bukanans says:

    I play in my bedroom trough a Marshall solid state bass amp and is so fucking nice. It sound great with everything.

  187. Rafael says:

    That’s a very nice post. Thank you!
    Bjorn, I’m struggling in this issue with my Blackstar HT60 Soloist!
    I can’t find a distortion pedal that matchs the amp clean channel. It seems that this amp has a fender taste in the clean channel, although it runs a pair of EL34.
    The drive channel has a marshall character, but not so compressed as I’d expect.
    Tha amp has lots of low end so I run back down the bass control, but it still lacks midrange! With bass and treble controls rolled back ir allows me to crank the amp but either way I find it little compressed…

    • Bjorn says:

      I haven’t tried that particular model but from what I understand, it’s designed to be very versatile. I’d probably be running it in boutique mode, for that class A character. That should give you more mids and compression and work nicely with most pedals.

  188. Awesome post Bjorn, but I am confused about a few things:

    1. You seemed to conclude that fender style amps are off limits for Muffs. This is new to me, especially from you, and your gear guide for amps. Surely we are considering Muffs and Powerbooster types even with our recommended Fender amps?

    2. How about the Civil War mid-rangey muffs? I have noticed that my Musket works better overall on my Tweed Blues Jr. and this guide would sort of confirm the reason, however, I do like the sound of my Stomp Under Ram’s Head for certain sounds.

    3. My Blues Driver does indeed sound a bit spitty on the Fender, but at breakup/boost status, I prefer it for the Shine On break-up tone era as I like the semi-spitty boost. How hard set are you on these guidelines now?

    I am really liking my Tree of Life overdrive and don’t feel I need a Tubescreamer clone for my tones on the Fender, but I’m curious if you have used it on something other than your usual review amps (ie a Fender style). Anyway always good to read your stuff, and by the way, Madison Square was amazing, he was definitely warmer than when we met in London. Cheers!

    • Bjorn says:

      This is meant as a tip or guide but what’s important is that you go with the tones you like. I’m not saying or concluding that Fenders and Muffs doesn’t work. There are different models of each and some Fenders have more mid range and less headroom than others, the Blues Jr being one of them, which can go nicely with most pedals. What I’m saying is that a Fender amp, and similar, usually have less mid range, while Marshall, Hiwatt and similar, have more.
      The Tree of Life is loosely based on the Dumble tone, which is similar to the Tube Screamer so you pretty much got those tones covered.

  189. Justin says:

    I might be mistaken but didn’t the Time solo feature a silicon fuzz face into a loud fender twin reverb? I could be wrong but that would certainly be an exception. Another that comes to mind is the use of a tonebender fuzz into a vox ala yardbirds era Beck. Watcha think?

    • Bjorn says:

      That’s what most sources refer to, although he could have been using a Hiwatt as well. David has always played loud and he certainly did back in the early days. Apparently he played so loud for that solo that all of the crew left the studio. He probably drove that Twin into heavy compression and got some mids out of it too. Now, keep in mind that studio is often very different from a live situation. You can do all sorts of things in a studio to compensate for the lack of certain frequencies or get a specific tone from your instruments. Angle the mic slightly and compress the input to the tape machine or mixing desk and you have a very different result than just mixing a guitar and feeding it clean into a desk. Hard to explain just how one gets a tone in a studio.

    • Nicolás says:

      Although I pretty much agree on everything Bjorn explains, there are some nuances that should be taken into account. For the purpose of understanding the basics, this article is excellent. BUT…
      Not all the Fender amps are Twin Reverbs. I have a Custom Vibrolux Reverb and it gets seriously compressed and overdriven if you turn up the volume and the valves get hotter. Usually Fender lovers hate it because it’s not as pristine and clean as you would expect from a Fender amp but it’s just they don’t understand what it was made for. I dare you to try a fuzz face into a Deluxe Reverb or a Blues Deluxe that is being pushed into overdrive territory…
      I usually solve the Fender problem that Bjorn explains by using a light overdrive/booster after the distortion/fuzz. For me, stacking pedals is always been the key. Another thing that I’ve discovered is that is great to use the gain channel at the verge of overdrive sound (I mean, that point when you can’t tell if the sound is clean or not and if you press harder the strings, it definitely drives). At that point, the dynamics lies in your fingers: you can play softer and even roll down the volume knob if you want clean but when you turn up full volume and add a fuzz or a distortion pedal, you fly away.

      I think this topic provides a lot to discuss and share.

      Let me give you this link, so you can understand a little bit of what I’m trying to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2QTLMr0dLI

      Take care!

      • Bjorn says:

        Great point. As I said in the article, not all Fenders are the same and the early tweeds, the Vibrolux etc had much more mid range and compression, hence the link to the early Marshall amps. The Vibrolux is sort of a modified Bassmann, which again spawned the Marshall JTM. You also point out the importance of gain and volume, which will solve a lot of the problems but it can be hard to achieve in a bedroom situation.

    • Steven Brockway says:

      I use a tonebender MkIII through an AC30 and they match amazingly well together. More of an Interstellar Overdrive sound.

  190. Guilherme says:

    Very nice article, as always Bjorn. In which category would you say de Laney Cub 12R falls into?

  191. Patrick Kennedy says:

    Very, very good and insightful information!! Here’s a video (over 34 minutes long,) that lets us hear how 2 different pedals (EHX Nano Big Muff Pi, Boss Super Overdrive) interacted with different amps / gain structures. Extremely interesting stuff. I, for one, was astonished at how badly the Muff sounded through the Fender Twin amp.

    • Bjorn says:

      Yep, this clip clearly shows what I’m trying to explain :)

      • Cody says:

        However, kit Rae plays through a fender twin and he’s got great tone in my opinion, especially with muffs. What do you think of that?

        • Bjorn says:

          Well, yeah he’s got a nice tone and I’m not saying that you can’t but it requires a different approach as to playing a Marshall or Hiwatt. There’s also different Twins that sound very different from each other, based on the model and year. What’s important is that one is aware of the differences between amps and not just focus on pedals, and ultimately, dismiss great sounding pedals, just because they don’t go as well with all amps or at least, doesn’t provide the tones you want on all amps.

  192. Gaëtan B says:

    For a Peavey Classic 30 ? I jave Providence sov-2 and Diamond MK3 drive too…Am i wrong Bjorn ? Regards from France

    • Bjorn says:

      The Peavey Classic 30 has lost of mid range, which makes it a great amp for both bedroom and practice. My point isn’t to say that you can’t use this or that pedal but some pedals work better with certain amps. Use whatever sounds good to your ears :)

      • Aliaksei says:

        Hi Bjorn,

        I am a bit confused because you say here that Peavey Classic 30 has a lot of mid range, but in “What is tone? (part 3)
        Setting up your amp” article you say:
        “The amp has a distinct bright Fenderish tone that will require a fair amount of rolling down the treble and increasing the bass.”
        So, is it finally mid scooped or mid boosted?

        • Bjorn says:

          Hi, that What Is Tone feature might be a bit confusing. I would say that the Peavey Classic has a unique tone or circuit but there’s a bit of the early Marshall JTM flavour, which would be similar to a Fender Bassman. It’s perhaps slightly more compressed and mid rangy than those but equally bright. It’s always a matter of taste but I find the amp a bit too bright so I often roll back the treble quite a bit and keep the mids and bass fairly neutral. The amp can handle most pedals but mid rangy pedals seems to work best.

  193. Tommy J. says:

    Hey Björn, this was very helpful! Even though I’ve been an electric guitar player for more than 30 years, I needed a clever guy like you to put this into words for me. Thanks for your excellent site and the time you spend on it, I always enjoy your write-ups!!!! :-)

  194. Arya Boustani says:

    Thanks Bjorn. Great article. I’m thinking of buying a Fender amp using it in parallel with my Laney. Splitting the signal sending the clean to Fender and overdriven tone to Laney. Still dreaming of a creamy smooth overdrive but with sparkly clear attacks. Putting EQ on each signal path to even out the tone.
    What do you think?

  195. DavidGilnot says:

    This, presumably only applies to valve amps where the compression is coming from hot valves.

    I play through a solid state Tokai amp which has some Fender Champ qualities and does had treble, mid and bass controls. Are you saying that when playing a strat into this I should boost the mids on the amp – can an amp with scooped mids be ‘unscooped’?

    Can using the tone controls on the guitar itself compensate for the amp’s scoop?

    I’ve never liked a Les Paul into it but shouldn’t the scooped mids get balanced out by the mid range ‘bump’ of humbuckers? Or should I just forget all that you’ve just beautifully explained because solid state need not apply.

    • Bjorn says:

      Tubes will create both compression and mid range when driven hard but the topic of this feature certainly applies to solid state or transistor amps. I’m no technical expert, so I won’t go into details, but compression and the overall tone of the amp lies in the circuitry and not so much in the tubes.
      You can bring the mids back by boosting them but the amp will still have that particular voicing and it depends on how the EQ is set up and how much you can boost and in what frequency. Dramatic EQ setting will often make things worse so it’s much more efficient to set the amp up for a fairly neutral tone and use pedals and perhaps a dedicated EQ to get those mids.

  196. Ran says:

    Where does Mesa Boogie fall in the categories?

  197. Daniel says:

    Thanks again for another important lesson… I learned a lot and now I understand why I cant get the sound I want: I basically use Byoc rams head + BD2 + Wampler plexidrive (the latest to replace the 2 tube drivers), in my room with a fender champ (the simplest one from 1979, with 3 knobs, just volume, bass and treble)…. so what I basically did is just using mid scooped stuff…. I should then looking for another amp or may be another pedal in the screamer area…

    I have a question… I can then just buy the right amp or pedal in my home… but then when I go to the rehearsal room, they can have any amp.. (We use different rooms)… so, if you dont know with which amp you will play… how do you get the right pedals? should I have a mix of mids scooped ones and mid boosters in order to cover all the possibilities and just adapt in a dynamic way in every place? how do you solve this problem?

    thanks again

    • Bjorn says:

      I have found that the Buffalo FX TDX has a bit more mids than the Tube Driver and the Buffalo FX Evolution, has a bit less mids than the Rat (and it’s got a mids booster control as well). These two pedals will get you something in between and they’ll work nicely on most amps. There also other similar models on the market. A good guide though is that it’s easier to roll off mids than to boost them – when combining pedals and amps that is. So, you can roll off the mids on a Marshall and pair that with a Rat but you’ll have a hard time getting smooth tones with a Muff and Twin.
      I also borrow amps on the road, as it’s just too expensive to travel with my own amp. I usually get what I ask for but when you do festivals and such you’re often stuck with the same rig everyone else is using and I always keep spare overdrive and distortion pedals that can match any amp.

      • Daniel says:

        thank you for your answer!1

        I think the evolution is what I need… and I read it is a wonderful pedal. Looking at your site you have talken very good also about another rat clones… so I dont know really which one to choose… evolution seems ok but the others seems fine too…. how to decide? youtube videos are not real audio experience. thank you Bjorn you are the master

        • Bjorn says:

          The Evolution is perhaps the most versatile. You can get great overdrive tones with and screaming distortion and fuzz. The Rat, and other clones, can do pretty much the same thing but it does have more mids and gain, which makes it more a dedicated distortion than anything else.

  198. Chad from Dallas says:

    Bjorn,

    Great insight as usual. I am always learning from you. Anytime I receive a compliment on my tone, I emmediately mention your name first. I have a few questions for you. First, I play a mesa rectoverb. Which category would you place it? I have never been able to dial in a muff and get my Gilmour sweet spot. I have found a great tone though with the Soothsayer (based on your article). I have been using a Wampler Euphoria as my OD, on the end of the Soothsayer for Wallish tones and for my cleaner Gilmour like Shine On and Another brick I roll back the gain and it sounds great. My second question is about the Tubeworks Real Tube by Butler. I have read some people say that they dial in some very close to the Tubdriver tones. I found one for $100 bucks and figured I’d try it anyhow, but wanted to get your thoughts. I will switch the tube out to the AU7. Any experience with this pedal?

    Thanks for the info!!

    Chad

    • Bjorn says:

      Thanks for the kind words, Chad :) I haven’t tried the amp myself but from what I understand, it’s based on the Rectifier series, which do have a bit of mids scoop for that modern metal tone. The Soothsayer and other mids oriented pedals might be a better choice, as you’ve also experienced, than the typically scooped pedals.
      The Tubeworks, although not identical to the Tube Driver, is well worth checking out. You can easily dial in some nice tones with that. Keep in mind though that with your amp, you might want to look into something with a bit more mids.

    • MA L says:

      Chad,

      I use a Rectoverb 25 combo, and I find that if you use the “Pushed” mode in Channel 1, you can get a pretty good tone with a muff. I don’t run it with a ton of gain, just enough to get light overdrive.

      If I’m wanting to use the “Clean” mode in Channel 1, I use an MXR Il Torino Overdrive (in boost mode) between the muff and the amp. It allows me to sculpt the tone a little bit before it hits the amp, and adds a bit of compression as well.

      I find the first option a bit better sounding, but if I really needed the diversity for a gig or something, the second option works well.

      Not sure if you’re using the same version of the Rectoverb as I am, but thought I’d throw it out there.

      Mark

      • Chad from Dallas says:

        I have the 50. I have tried the BYOC triangular and rams and just couldn’t get a good tone. Tried boosting from front, behind …both…lol! The Soothsayer though with a boost on the end sounds really good. Not quite the muff tone, but it sounds really good. I did receive and Mojohand Iron bell the other day though and it sounds really good as a stand alone. It might be a little thinner than I would like, but overall it sounds really incredible for Wallish tones. One thing I have learned is that we have to use what we have and the combination to get that tone we are looking for is different for all of us! Thank you for your info Mark.

        Chad

        • MA L says:

          “One thing I have learned is that we have to use what we have and the combination to get that tone we are looking for is different for all of us! Thank you for your info Mark.”

          > I know all about that!

          No problem at all :)

  199. Brick says:

    Would you say a “Fat Strat” lies somewhere between a Strat and Tele?

    • Bjorn says:

      A Fat Strat usually have a humbucker in the bridge, doesn’t it? In that sense it’s more a mix between a Strat and Les Paul.

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